4 ms·
Going to gently push back on a number of these, for a number of reasons, but the first of which is, address the article; you tend to jump in any thread that has
by dtornabene 8y ago
Going to gently push back on a number of these, for a number of reasons, but the first of which is, address the article; you tend to jump in any thread that has to do with him and repeat the same, unsourced attacks, some of which are to put it bluntly absolute bullshit. For the record, I too believe that his work has been a mixed bag, particularly on Syria lately, but the idea that he's unhinged spouting nonsense is absurd and frankly quite useful to a number of people/institutions. For example;
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n01/seymour-m-hersh/military-to-military https://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n01/seymour-m-hersh/military-to-mi...
This is a long, long piece that came out a little less than a year before the 2016 election. In it Hersh through in an interview with M Flynn illuminates what has now come to be seen as more or less unvarnished truth; that Michael Flynn was and remains batshit crazy and was absolutely working against the intents of the Obama administration, and doing so behind their back with Russia and Israel. You can criticize the tone he takes in the piece (I do) but the piece itself was mercilessly criticized by people who less than a year later would be shouting from their perches at CNN and Vox exactly what the piece discusses( Looking at you Max Fischer). Its a perfect example of the way that a narrative about Hersh, "he's a bit of loony, his reporting has declined" completely obscured his work and actually contributed to the erasure of his reporting to the detriment of the country. Imagine for a moment, if he had been taken seriously, if Flynn had been investigated, openly and by a broad swath of the press and the things that he had been doing had been highlighted and discussed as extensively as, say the absurd Clinton email scandal. I want to point out here, again, I disagree with Hersh on a number of things, I voted for Sanders in the primary and found Clinton distasteful at the least, but the reporting on Trump and specifically on people like Flynn was shallow and weak and waited until he had won.
As to his supposed opinion on Opus Dei, these were off the cuff remarks in a foreign country that were not recorded and have been reported on second and third hand. Not to mention that the idea that religious fanatics of all types of christianity are highly, highly, highly over represented at the highest reaches of the american military system is not conspiracy theory, its a fact. Jeff Sharlet, Mikey Weinstein, and a number of others have been covering this literally for decades in a serious, judicious way, but because Hersh is Hersh, and speaks in a brash way, it easy to sneer and pretend he's some unhinged conspiracy theorist.
I could go on (the story on OBL was bad but the admin also did lie, Chicago absolutely was fixed, and so was Texas in the 1960 election, no less a conspiracy theorist as Robert Caro in the second volume of his 3 vol bio of LBJ goes into precisely how Texas was fixed), but this comment is already long enough.
- tptacek 8y agoUnlike Seymour Hersh's anonymous sources, the claims you're making here are easy to check and your argument is trivially refuted: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=author:tptacek%20hersh&sort=byPopularity&prefix&page=0&dateRange=all&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?query=author:tptacek%20hersh&sort=by... That's every comment I've written on this site about Hersh. You'll notice there's not much there, and that what I have to say about him is not uniformly negative.
- dtornabene 8y agoglad you took the time to cherry pick that one thing and completely ignore, say, the Opus Dei comment, which is egregious nonsense that you have actually repeated here. Or even, g-d forbid, read the linked article and confront that.
- tptacek 8y agoStrange that it was the unbidden personal attack that leapt out at me about your comment, and not the carefully reasoned argument that followed. I'll try harder next time.
- dtornabene 8y agoIts a little annoying watching you repeat these things and not only that but to take time to jump into any thread that critically discusses the military/security agencies and dismiss all criticism with the most absurd reasoning and then pretend that you've been attacked so as to avoid having to reckon with what it is your actually doing. For example, quite recently on a thread about the Cuba Embassy TBI incident. Unlike other people on here I don't think this makes you some automatic spy/asset/plant but having had to deal directly with security state as I personally have, and as my family has literally for generations, you get annoyed at people attacking good journalism because it conflicts with you ideology.
- tptacek 8y ago