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> You can think any way you want to, and I will respect your right to think that way. I can respect that you think, but that doesn't mean I have to respect what

> You can think any way you want to, and I will respect your right to think that way. I can respect that you think, but that doesn't mean I have to respect what you think. That's totally fine, just in my personal experience, stuff like that has a funny way of coming back in thought. I find that no matter what words come out in reality, transmission through language, it never really tells you very much about how a person actually thinks. Kind of hard to know how another person thinks, because, that kind of seems like believing in telepathy. Let's say that the mere act of me saying what I 'think' causes my thinking to change, instantly, perfectly flipping to a perfectly opposite perspective. What's there to respect at that point?

stcredzero 8y ago
What's there to respect at that point? You were thinking. I respect that. Hell, if you were sincerely trying to think, then had a total brain-fart, I'd still respect the attempt.
- s-shellfish 8y ago
  I suppose at this point I would ask the question, what does it mean to think? What is 'thinking'? What's the goal?
  - stcredzero 8y ago
    I tell you what, you think about that and get back to me about it.
    - s-shellfish 8y ago
      I've thought about it a lot. It just seems to loop, to find a way that allows me to believe I have done enough work such that I am allowed to have the thoughts I wanted to have from the beginning. There are all sorts of ways I seem to invent to do this. Doing differently, every single time, every new way of working through 'thought', what's the original point? What do you think? Let's compare notes.
      - stcredzero 8y ago
        I've thought about it a lot. I think your experience of thought is worth a lot more than anything I could tell you about it. (Yes, I planned that out.) Doing differently, every single time, every new way of working through 'thought', what's the original point? Is it fun? If it's not fun, then don't do that. Also, as far as a "point" goes, that is up to you. Let me testify to you, as an atheist, that you can find meaning in life by living it "meaningfully." Do that enough, and you will find it. Physical and aesthetic activities with others help a lot. Sharing food and experiences with true friends is key. What do you think? Let's compare notes. See the thread above.
        s-shellfish 8y ago
        The concept of 'baked in'. I sort of find doing stuff with words fun, sometimes. It's a creative endeavor, but also fairly rigorous. Otherwise, stare off into space, and wonder if the terrible things I don't want to happen have happened yet. Food, experiences, aesthetics, pleasure, hedonism. I study Zen quite a bit. I don't find it fun. It's just a way to reveal truths to others because,they can't be revealed directly and accepted at face value, for some. Words are memes. Ideas are baked in. Connections dance in patterns. Math and logic form the foundation. Mind tests for correctness. Self, universe, theory. Universe is infinite, self knowledge - finite (or is it?). Theory unites with self, universe serves as reality check. Theory united with self, is this equivalent to the universe? What is mind? The experience of everything you've ever experienced, collapsing in on itself. https://youtu.be/1PT90dAA49Q https://youtu.be/1PT90dAA49Q What happens after that? That, I find interesting. Post modernism, maybe. Where are the new words, new theories, new patterns? Dance on top of all that exists.
        stcredzero 8y ago
        The experience of everything you've ever experienced, collapsing in on itself. I usually experience paroxysms of guilt from the embarrassment of everything stupid I've ever done. https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iur/?f=1&image_host=http%3A%2F%2Feclecticemily.files.wordpress.com%2F2008%2F06%2F1120-linus.jpg&u=https://eclecticemily.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/1120-linus.jpg https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iur/?f=1&image_host=http%3A%2F%... What happens after that? That, I find interesting. Post modernism, maybe. Well, if there is a new wave of reason, then a backlash of unreason is not unexpected. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwZ651i5vls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwZ651i5vls

stcredzero 8y ago

What's there to respect at that point? You were thinking. I respect that. Hell, if you were sincerely trying to think, then had a total brain-fart, I'd still respect the attempt.

s-shellfish 8y ago
I suppose at this point I would ask the question, what does it mean to think? What is 'thinking'? What's the goal?
- stcredzero 8y ago
  I tell you what, you think about that and get back to me about it.
  - s-shellfish 8y ago
    I've thought about it a lot. It just seems to loop, to find a way that allows me to believe I have done enough work such that I am allowed to have the thoughts I wanted to have from the beginning. There are all sorts of ways I seem to invent to do this. Doing differently, every single time, every new way of working through 'thought', what's the original point? What do you think? Let's compare notes.
    - stcredzero 8y ago
      I've thought about it a lot. I think your experience of thought is worth a lot more than anything I could tell you about it. (Yes, I planned that out.) Doing differently, every single time, every new way of working through 'thought', what's the original point? Is it fun? If it's not fun, then don't do that. Also, as far as a "point" goes, that is up to you. Let me testify to you, as an atheist, that you can find meaning in life by living it "meaningfully." Do that enough, and you will find it. Physical and aesthetic activities with others help a lot. Sharing food and experiences with true friends is key. What do you think? Let's compare notes. See the thread above.
      - s-shellfish 8y ago
        The concept of 'baked in'. I sort of find doing stuff with words fun, sometimes. It's a creative endeavor, but also fairly rigorous. Otherwise, stare off into space, and wonder if the terrible things I don't want to happen have happened yet. Food, experiences, aesthetics, pleasure, hedonism. I study Zen quite a bit. I don't find it fun. It's just a way to reveal truths to others because,they can't be revealed directly and accepted at face value, for some. Words are memes. Ideas are baked in. Connections dance in patterns. Math and logic form the foundation. Mind tests for correctness. Self, universe, theory. Universe is infinite, self knowledge - finite (or is it?). Theory unites with self, universe serves as reality check. Theory united with self, is this equivalent to the universe? What is mind? The experience of everything you've ever experienced, collapsing in on itself. https://youtu.be/1PT90dAA49Q https://youtu.be/1PT90dAA49Q What happens after that? That, I find interesting. Post modernism, maybe. Where are the new words, new theories, new patterns? Dance on top of all that exists.
        stcredzero 8y ago
        The experience of everything you've ever experienced, collapsing in on itself. I usually experience paroxysms of guilt from the embarrassment of everything stupid I've ever done. https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iur/?f=1&image_host=http%3A%2F%2Feclecticemily.files.wordpress.com%2F2008%2F06%2F1120-linus.jpg&u=https://eclecticemily.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/1120-linus.jpg https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iur/?f=1&image_host=http%3A%2F%... What happens after that? That, I find interesting. Post modernism, maybe. Well, if there is a new wave of reason, then a backlash of unreason is not unexpected. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwZ651i5vls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwZ651i5vls