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It would be interesting to see how many of the waitlist cancellers bought electric cars from other brands. The Bolt, the Leaf, and the BMW i3 are the obvious al
by twblalock 8y ago
It would be interesting to see how many of the waitlist cancellers bought electric cars from other brands. The Bolt, the Leaf, and the BMW i3 are the obvious alternatives.
- addflip 8y agoAnecdata. I cancelled my reservation last month after it came apparent that it would be a while before they start manufacturing base model [1]. Ended up getting the BMW i3 and love it. After incentives it came out $217/month to lease[2]. 1. https://electrek.co/2018/05/21/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-ties-base-model-3-availability-to-company-profitability/ https://electrek.co/2018/05/21/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-ties-base... 2. leasehackr.com/calculator?make=BMW&msrp=47245&sales_price=42450&months=30&mf=.00166&dp=0&doc_fee=80&acq_fee=925&taxed_inc=9500&untaxed_inc=0&rebate=3866&resP=61®_fee=400&sales_tax=9.5&memo=&zero_driveoff=true&monthlyTax_radio=true&miles=10000&msd=0
- stickydink 8y agoI've never seen leasehackr before, it seems really interesting. Did you use the site just for the calculator?
- addflip 8y agoMainly use it for the forums so I could compare other deals in my area. The calculator is just an ancillary benefit.
- rconti 8y agoYou can actually get an i3 for perilously close to $20k these days, at least in the Bay Area. PGE+BMW are offering $10k back to buyers, plus $7500 federal tax credit, plus $2500 CA tax credit. I was a model 3 reservation holder, and strongly considered the i3, but ultimately configured a Model 3 a couple of weeks ago (now pushed to July delivery as they're stalling to not hit 200k units before Q3).
- djrogers 8y agoThe Bolt, Leaf, and i3 are all fairly ugly. Most of the people I know waiting for Model 3s are doing so in part because it's actually a decent to good looking sedan, and not a weird jelly bean hatchback.
- toomuchtodo 8y agoAnd no SuperCharging network.
- Someone1234 8y agoThere are plenty of non-proprietary charges around these days. For example go here (and turn off Tesla): https://chargehub.com/en/charging-stations-map.html https://chargehub.com/en/charging-stations-map.html
- mikeash 8y agoThere are still not a lot of good options for long distance travel. Third party fast chargers are usually slow, broken, busy, or badly located.
- LeoPanthera 8y agoThis is a weird thing to say. It's simply not true. Search PlugShare for CHAdeMO chargers. There are a lot.
- mikeash 8y agoCHAdeMO is typically 50kW or less, sometimes just 20kW. They’re often unmaintained and left broken for long periods of time. They’re often installed in single units, leaving you vulnerable to being screwed by another user or someone blocking the spot. They’re usually installed in cities rather than along highways. Many important corridors don’t have enough CHAdeMO coverage for a long trip.
- thefounder 8y agoYou must be kidding...i3 an alternative to Tesla 3? I won't say anything about the looks but just considering the range should tell you there is no comparison.
- Harvey-Specter 8y agoMost people want a car that they can actually buy. How long until I can walk into a Tesla dealership and have a Model 3 within the week?
- rconti 8y agoHell, I waited 4 months for a VW Golf. And ordering (and waiting months for) a car is the norm in Europe. I actually think the buy-something-off-the-lot culture is why we get so few options on cars in the US; just a bunch of shades of dull with dull options bundles.
- King-Aaron 8y agoI find this an interesting point - in a lot of markets (i.e. I'm in Australia) you have to wait for an optioned vehicle to be delivered, and some have waiting lists. I believe some people waited 6+ months for their Subaru BRZ here.. Obviously in the US people expect delivery to be much more rapid, it would be interesting to see comparable waiting times for new models of Ford/Chev/etc vehicles?
- rconti 8y agoIn the US, 99% of vehicles are bought off the lot because the buyers for some reason think they have 0 power and just have to settle for whatever happens to be sitting around the car park today for their $35k. For the most part, ordering is not 'a thing'. There's a bit of legal stuff behind it too; my understanding is that you CANNOT be legally held to buy a car that you haven't seen (which, of course, seems like an obviously good thing). But a side effect is that if you order your Porsche in pink with purple polka dots and no stereo, then decide you don't want it when it arrives, the dealer may end up with a car that is not so easy to sell.
- atonse 8y agoI remember doing test drives of the Leaf vs. the Tesla Model S two years ago. Back then, it felt like the leaf was the present, and Tesla was like stepping into a future of dreams. It was simply no comparison. But dreams aside, I can see how the economics might push people one way.
- Someone1234 8y agoI'd hope there would be no comparison between a car starting at $29,990 and one at $74,500.
- atonse 8y agoI don't know, can you really tell the 3x difference between a $35k BMW and a $80k BMW? Sure the leather's probably nicer, the engine's more powerful, but do you feel like "holy crap I just tasted the future" vs. "I'm totally looking like a dork in this car"
- notjakepearson 8y agoI was one of those. I bought the Kia Optima Plugin. I really like it, but clearly not as spaceshippy.
- greglindahl 8y agoThe May monthly sales numbers say "not many". https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/ https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/
- dangrossman 8y agoI reserved a Model 3 in March 2016, and bought a new Nissan Leaf instead in February of this year.
- Shivetya 8y agoNissan claims over 40k orders pending for the new Leaf including 30k of those in Europe and is not the longer range model!
- greglindahl 8y agoYeah, it's kind of interesting how few people are talking about Nissan's bizarre and unexpected production bottleneck for the new Leaf. They know how to build cars in volume, so what's the deal?
- Zanni 8y agoAnecdata. I reserved a Model 3 on day one, but bought a Model S in the meantime. Still holding my reservation, but unless I can test drive a Model 3, and it's a lot more fun to drive, then I'll probably just get a second S.
- ghouse 8y agoHave driven both. The 3 is more (a lot is subjective) fun to drive. Similar to the difference between a BMW 4 series and 7 series.