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At least in the Tesla fan community, a number of people got tired of waiting and bought a Model S/X instead. It remains unclear how many upgraded and as a resul
by bald 8y ago
At least in the Tesla fan community, a number of people got tired of waiting and bought a Model S/X instead. It remains unclear how many upgraded and as a result of this fell off the reservation list. They should have asked that as well.
- twblalock 8y agoIt would be interesting to see how many of the waitlist cancellers bought electric cars from other brands. The Bolt, the Leaf, and the BMW i3 are the obvious alternatives.
- addflip 8y agoAnecdata. I cancelled my reservation last month after it came apparent that it would be a while before they start manufacturing base model [1]. Ended up getting the BMW i3 and love it. After incentives it came out $217/month to lease[2]. 1. https://electrek.co/2018/05/21/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-ties-base-model-3-availability-to-company-profitability/ https://electrek.co/2018/05/21/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-ties-base... 2. leasehackr.com/calculator?make=BMW&msrp=47245&sales_price=42450&months=30&mf=.00166&dp=0&doc_fee=80&acq_fee=925&taxed_inc=9500&untaxed_inc=0&rebate=3866&resP=61®_fee=400&sales_tax=9.5&memo=&zero_driveoff=true&monthlyTax_radio=true&miles=10000&msd=0
- stickydink 8y agoI've never seen leasehackr before, it seems really interesting. Did you use the site just for the calculator?
- addflip 8y agoMainly use it for the forums so I could compare other deals in my area. The calculator is just an ancillary benefit.
- rconti 8y agoYou can actually get an i3 for perilously close to $20k these days, at least in the Bay Area. PGE+BMW are offering $10k back to buyers, plus $7500 federal tax credit, plus $2500 CA tax credit. I was a model 3 reservation holder, and strongly considered the i3, but ultimately configured a Model 3 a couple of weeks ago (now pushed to July delivery as they're stalling to not hit 200k units before Q3).
- djrogers 8y agoThe Bolt, Leaf, and i3 are all fairly ugly. Most of the people I know waiting for Model 3s are doing so in part because it's actually a decent to good looking sedan, and not a weird jelly bean hatchback.
- toomuchtodo 8y agoAnd no SuperCharging network.
- Someone1234 8y agoThere are plenty of non-proprietary charges around these days. For example go here (and turn off Tesla): https://chargehub.com/en/charging-stations-map.html https://chargehub.com/en/charging-stations-map.html
- mikeash 8y agoThere are still not a lot of good options for long distance travel. Third party fast chargers are usually slow, broken, busy, or badly located.
- LeoPanthera 8y agoThis is a weird thing to say. It's simply not true. Search PlugShare for CHAdeMO chargers. There are a lot.
- mikeash 8y agoCHAdeMO is typically 50kW or less, sometimes just 20kW. They’re often unmaintained and left broken for long periods of time. They’re often installed in single units, leaving you vulnerable to being screwed by another user or someone blocking the spot. They’re usually installed in cities rather than along highways. Many important corridors don’t have enough CHAdeMO coverage for a long trip.
- thefounder 8y agoYou must be kidding...i3 an alternative to Tesla 3? I won't say anything about the looks but just considering the range should tell you there is no comparison.
- Harvey-Specter 8y agoMost people want a car that they can actually buy. How long until I can walk into a Tesla dealership and have a Model 3 within the week?
- rconti 8y agoHell, I waited 4 months for a VW Golf. And ordering (and waiting months for) a car is the norm in Europe. I actually think the buy-something-off-the-lot culture is why we get so few options on cars in the US; just a bunch of shades of dull with dull options bundles.
- King-Aaron 8y agoI find this an interesting point - in a lot of markets (i.e. I'm in Australia) you have to wait for an optioned vehicle to be delivered, and some have waiting lists. I believe some people waited 6+ months for their Subaru BRZ here.. Obviously in the US people expect delivery to be much more rapid, it would be interesting to see comparable waiting times for new models of Ford/Chev/etc vehicles?
- rconti 8y agoIn the US, 99% of vehicles are bought off the lot because the buyers for some reason think they have 0 power and just have to settle for whatever happens to be sitting around the car park today for their $35k. For the most part, ordering is not 'a thing'. There's a bit of legal stuff behind it too; my understanding is that you CANNOT be legally held to buy a car that you haven't seen (which, of course, seems like an obviously good thing). But a side effect is that if you order your Porsche in pink with purple polka dots and no stereo, then decide you don't want it when it arrives, the dealer may end up with a car that is not so easy to sell.
- atonse 8y agoI remember doing test drives of the Leaf vs. the Tesla Model S two years ago. Back then, it felt like the leaf was the present, and Tesla was like stepping into a future of dreams. It was simply no comparison. But dreams aside, I can see how the economics might push people one way.
- Someone1234 8y agoI'd hope there would be no comparison between a car starting at $29,990 and one at $74,500.
- atonse 8y agoI don't know, can you really tell the 3x difference between a $35k BMW and a $80k BMW? Sure the leather's probably nicer, the engine's more powerful, but do you feel like "holy crap I just tasted the future" vs. "I'm totally looking like a dork in this car"
- notjakepearson 8y agoI was one of those. I bought the Kia Optima Plugin. I really like it, but clearly not as spaceshippy.
- greglindahl 8y agoThe May monthly sales numbers say "not many". https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/ https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/
- dangrossman 8y agoI reserved a Model 3 in March 2016, and bought a new Nissan Leaf instead in February of this year.
- Shivetya 8y agoNissan claims over 40k orders pending for the new Leaf including 30k of those in Europe and is not the longer range model!
- greglindahl 8y agoYeah, it's kind of interesting how few people are talking about Nissan's bizarre and unexpected production bottleneck for the new Leaf. They know how to build cars in volume, so what's the deal?
- Zanni 8y agoAnecdata. I reserved a Model 3 on day one, but bought a Model S in the meantime. Still holding my reservation, but unless I can test drive a Model 3, and it's a lot more fun to drive, then I'll probably just get a second S.
- ghouse 8y agoHave driven both. The 3 is more (a lot is subjective) fun to drive. Similar to the difference between a BMW 4 series and 7 series.
- jakobegger 8y agoDo you really think that a lot of people who reserved a $35.000 car decided to go with a Model S that costs more than twice as much? I think it's more likely that a lot of people realised that they aren't getting a $35.000 car any time soon, and bought something in their price range instead. I reserved a Model 3, but I'm becoming sceptical that I'll ever be able to afford it. Right now they are selling it for $50.000, and it doesn't look like it's moving into my price range any time soon.
- pooya13 8y agoFrom Musk's tweets, it appears it won't be before they hit 10k per week.
- greglindahl 8y agoA few are buying new S, more are buying used Ses, some don't want to wait and bought something else. BTW, the rollout of lower-priced 3's is being done exactly the same as model S and model X: while they're production constrained, Tesla ships the higher-priced models only. The smaller battery Model S shipped a year after the first S rolled off the line. Between that and not being an existing owner or employee, I'm not sure why you thought you'd get the lowest price version so soon?
- dangrossman 8y agoBecause Tesla consistently said the rollout would not happen like the S and X. They promised the $35K base model in "early 2018", on the Model 3 configurator, on the Model 3 delivery estimates, and in Elon Musk's tweets. All of those sources consistently said that it would be coming in early 2018, and it would be coming BEFORE the dual motor or performance versions... right up until last month when Elon announced that wasn't going to be happening after all.
- greglindahl 8y agoThey said that the rollout would be way steeper than S and X. The mind boggles that you thought they'd hit that rollout target! They're always late.
- linsomniac 8y agoI was wondering this as well. More than a year ago, Tesla was pushing the "Model S 60" to reservation holders, and some of those reservation holders ended up buying the Model S. I know, because I'm one of them. I figured a few things: The Fed/State incentives might be gone by the time I got my Model 3, I didn't plan to buy a base model, I figured I'd add a bunch of options and figured I'd spend more like $55K than $38K, I didn't figure all the options would be available right at the start, and I drove a Model S and loved it. I just canceled the Model 3 reservation a couple months ago, because I figured I'd hold onto the reservation to see what was happening when they finally became available. Maybe I'd need one for my wife or maybe I'd have a friend or family member who would use the reservation, or maybe people would be crazy about it and they'd be selling for enough that it was worth buying and immediately reselling... None of those came to be though.
- hndamien 8y agoI'm in Australia and I had a child coming. Tesla was going to be waaay to late here. I upgraded.