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> Will Facebook/Google/Apple start pulling their code from GitHub? For these companies who owned GitHub hardly plays a role. They want to attract developers an

> Will Facebook/Google/Apple start pulling their code from GitHub? For these companies who owned GitHub hardly plays a role. They want to attract developers and go wherever the crowds go. If there is mass migration to mercurial-superhost.com they will follow. It's just an outlet. The question is more relevant for companies and communities who built their infrastructure on it and might worry for good or not so good reasons.

superflyguy 8y ago
"For these companies who owned GitHub hardly plays a role. They want to attract developers and go wherever the crowds go. If there is mass migration to mercurial-superhost.com they will follow. It's just an outlet. No-one's going to join a company because of which front end to git they use. It's more a question "do Apple/facebook etc want Microsoft to have all of their private source code to look for exploits/rip off/hand over the government etc etc"?
- mseebach 8y ago
  First, as pointed out elsewhere, the Apple/Facebooks of the world already aren't putting their private repos on any external service (perhaps they rent iron on a cloud, but certainly not SaaS). Second, this is the same business model as Office 365, and I'm not aware of that raising any particular eyebrows outside of the fairly limited crowd that can't trust anyone. If you're cool with entrusting your email to Microsoft, your source code is not a great leap.
cobookman 8y ago
I think public code will still live on github, but I See FAANG 100% avoiding any private github repos from now on.
- johannes1234321 8y ago
  They already did. Except maybe for test setups and to configure a project before announcing it. All those companies keep their privates private. GitHub is just a public showroom for them. Again this is different for other/smaller companies.
  - diminoten 8y ago
    Ah, I think that's how it's always been. What's the difference between me running my small company out of Azure, and keeping the source code in GitHub, now that Microsoft owns it? Nothing changes immediately for any of us, to me the biggest concern is what happens after those roadmapped projects have run through. What goes next on that roadmap, and will it stick to the principles I love about GitHub, or will it start to veer into Microsoft's territory?
- SiVal 8y ago
  Bigger tech companies not only do not host important private source code on Github but won't even host on outsourced physical servers. Where I've worked (incl. well-known names), information that we wanted spread to the world could be hosted on trusted external systems (trust still mattered to keep it from being "edited"), but non-public info was always hosted inside a physical building that we owned watched 24/7 by human guards we employed.
  - hirsin 8y ago
    Not entirely true. Microsoft puts (almost? Yet to find anything that isn't) all our code on VSTS which is accessible remotely, without VPN. I've checked in a (very very minor docs) fix to the Windows code base from my Android phone over LTE.
    - electronvolt 8y ago
      Yeah, which is hosted on Azure, a data center that Microsoft owns and employs guards for, and secured behind our standard corporate authentication. :) (Source: I work at Microsoft, near the VSTS team.)
      - com2kid 8y ago
        > Yeah, which is hosted on Azure, a data center that Microsoft owns and employs guards for, and secured behind our standard corporate authentication. :) Way back when, Microsoft used to host a bunch of auth servers for banks. A friend of mine mentioned an armed guard in front of the data center for that particular service. I've worked on teams at MS where there was a (non-armed) guard checking everyone who got off the elevator, but before I joined MS I was once left alone in a room full of computers open to the Windows source tree, wearing my "do not leave guest unattended" badge. Mileage might vary and all that.
        electronvolt 8y ago
        Yeah, all I was really saying was that the grandparent's comment and the parent's comment weren't in opposition. Microsoft owns the data center the code lives in and certainly takes care of physical security.
- ionforce 8y ago
  FAANG, I've never seen this before! Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, Google?
  - lbotos 8y ago
    Correct, It's often used in modern context when talking about what stock is powering the market right now. It's a "FAANG" market. EDIT: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/faang-stocks.asp https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/faang-stocks.asp
    - marssaxman 8y ago
      Oh, it's a stock thing? It makes more sense as Wall Street slang - in terms of the technological landscape, one of those companies is so obviously dissimilar to the others that the phrase makes little sense.
  - CydeWeys 8y ago
    I don't understand by what metric Netflix is included but Microsoft is excluded. It should really be FAAMG, or maybe FAMANG.
    - timv 8y ago
      Well in this very specific context, it's hard to imagine that Microsoft will be avoiding using GitHub just because it's owned by Microsoft.
      - CydeWeys 8y ago
        FAANG is used very generally to refer to these five companies. It's not just in this specific context. I'm wondering why Microsoft is excluded.
        AlexCoventry 8y ago
        If you include MS, you have to also include IBM. FAMAING.
- CydeWeys 8y ago
  As an owner of several Google org repos on GitHub, I can vouch that this is definitely true. Only open sourced code goes into GitHub. Private repos are only used for staging purposes thereof, i.e. getting a release of open source code ready prior to the world visibility bit being flipped. We would definitely never store our proprietary code on systems run by anyone else, regardless of who runs/owns them.
raywu 8y ago
I thought they already have their own version control systems?

superflyguy 8y ago

"For these companies who owned GitHub hardly plays a role. They want to attract developers and go wherever the crowds go. If there is mass migration to mercurial-superhost.com they will follow. It's just an outlet. No-one's going to join a company because of which front end to git they use. It's more a question "do Apple/facebook etc want Microsoft to have all of their private source code to look for exploits/rip off/hand over the government etc etc"?

mseebach 8y ago
First, as pointed out elsewhere, the Apple/Facebooks of the world already aren't putting their private repos on any external service (perhaps they rent iron on a cloud, but certainly not SaaS). Second, this is the same business model as Office 365, and I'm not aware of that raising any particular eyebrows outside of the fairly limited crowd that can't trust anyone. If you're cool with entrusting your email to Microsoft, your source code is not a great leap.

cobookman 8y ago

I think public code will still live on github, but I See FAANG 100% avoiding any private github repos from now on.

johannes1234321 8y ago
They already did. Except maybe for test setups and to configure a project before announcing it. All those companies keep their privates private. GitHub is just a public showroom for them. Again this is different for other/smaller companies.
- diminoten 8y ago
  Ah, I think that's how it's always been. What's the difference between me running my small company out of Azure, and keeping the source code in GitHub, now that Microsoft owns it? Nothing changes immediately for any of us, to me the biggest concern is what happens after those roadmapped projects have run through. What goes next on that roadmap, and will it stick to the principles I love about GitHub, or will it start to veer into Microsoft's territory?
SiVal 8y ago
Bigger tech companies not only do not host important private source code on Github but won't even host on outsourced physical servers. Where I've worked (incl. well-known names), information that we wanted spread to the world could be hosted on trusted external systems (trust still mattered to keep it from being "edited"), but non-public info was always hosted inside a physical building that we owned watched 24/7 by human guards we employed.
- hirsin 8y ago
  Not entirely true. Microsoft puts (almost? Yet to find anything that isn't) all our code on VSTS which is accessible remotely, without VPN. I've checked in a (very very minor docs) fix to the Windows code base from my Android phone over LTE.
  - electronvolt 8y ago
    Yeah, which is hosted on Azure, a data center that Microsoft owns and employs guards for, and secured behind our standard corporate authentication. :) (Source: I work at Microsoft, near the VSTS team.)
    - com2kid 8y ago
      > Yeah, which is hosted on Azure, a data center that Microsoft owns and employs guards for, and secured behind our standard corporate authentication. :) Way back when, Microsoft used to host a bunch of auth servers for banks. A friend of mine mentioned an armed guard in front of the data center for that particular service. I've worked on teams at MS where there was a (non-armed) guard checking everyone who got off the elevator, but before I joined MS I was once left alone in a room full of computers open to the Windows source tree, wearing my "do not leave guest unattended" badge. Mileage might vary and all that.
      - electronvolt 8y ago
        Yeah, all I was really saying was that the grandparent's comment and the parent's comment weren't in opposition. Microsoft owns the data center the code lives in and certainly takes care of physical security.
ionforce 8y ago
FAANG, I've never seen this before! Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, Google?
- lbotos 8y ago
  Correct, It's often used in modern context when talking about what stock is powering the market right now. It's a "FAANG" market. EDIT: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/faang-stocks.asp https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/faang-stocks.asp
  - marssaxman 8y ago
    Oh, it's a stock thing? It makes more sense as Wall Street slang - in terms of the technological landscape, one of those companies is so obviously dissimilar to the others that the phrase makes little sense.
- CydeWeys 8y ago
  I don't understand by what metric Netflix is included but Microsoft is excluded. It should really be FAAMG, or maybe FAMANG.
  - timv 8y ago
    Well in this very specific context, it's hard to imagine that Microsoft will be avoiding using GitHub just because it's owned by Microsoft.
    - CydeWeys 8y ago
      FAANG is used very generally to refer to these five companies. It's not just in this specific context. I'm wondering why Microsoft is excluded.
      - AlexCoventry 8y ago
        If you include MS, you have to also include IBM. FAMAING.
CydeWeys 8y ago
As an owner of several Google org repos on GitHub, I can vouch that this is definitely true. Only open sourced code goes into GitHub. Private repos are only used for staging purposes thereof, i.e. getting a release of open source code ready prior to the world visibility bit being flipped. We would definitely never store our proprietary code on systems run by anyone else, regardless of who runs/owns them.

raywu 8y ago

I thought they already have their own version control systems?