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Would it be OK for a gay baker to refuse to make a cake with the inscription "Celebrating the third anniversary of the Pulse Night Club shooting" if the cake wa

Would it be OK for a gay baker to refuse to make a cake with the inscription "Celebrating the third anniversary of the Pulse Night Club shooting" if the cake was being requested by someone whose religious teachings preach that homosexuality is a sin and those who engage in the practice should be killed? Or how about for a gay coffee shop owner to kick Christians out of his shop because he disagrees with their belief system. See Bedlam Coffee in Seattle.

fzeroracer 8y ago
You're making an incredibly false analogy in the first scenario and misreading the case in the second. In the first case there is no discrimination on the basis of religion, skin color or sex. In the second you are being disengenous because it was clear that they were not in fact kicked out because they were christian, but kicked out because of both what they were actively doing near and in his coffee shop. If they were kicked out solely on the basis of being Christian then yes, that would be a clear problem.
- wang_li 8y ago
  It's not false. There are religions that proscribe death for homosexual behavior. People celebrating such executions are celebrating their faith and their religion. Saying that denying them service is based on their actions and not on their religion is the same as saying that you're not refusing them service because they are gay, but because they act like gay people. There's no daylight between being something and acting like that thing. >...but kicked out because of both what they were actively doing near and in his coffee shop. They were doing nothing but be customers in his shop. They weren't leafleting or proselytizing. Kicking them out because they engaged in a protected practice outside of his shop is kicking them out because of what they are. Otherwise we could say that it's ok to deny service to people who, for example, march in a pride parade.

fzeroracer 8y ago

You're making an incredibly false analogy in the first scenario and misreading the case in the second. In the first case there is no discrimination on the basis of religion, skin color or sex. In the second you are being disengenous because it was clear that they were not in fact kicked out because they were christian, but kicked out because of both what they were actively doing near and in his coffee shop. If they were kicked out solely on the basis of being Christian then yes, that would be a clear problem.

wang_li 8y ago
It's not false. There are religions that proscribe death for homosexual behavior. People celebrating such executions are celebrating their faith and their religion. Saying that denying them service is based on their actions and not on their religion is the same as saying that you're not refusing them service because they are gay, but because they act like gay people. There's no daylight between being something and acting like that thing. >...but kicked out because of both what they were actively doing near and in his coffee shop. They were doing nothing but be customers in his shop. They weren't leafleting or proselytizing. Kicking them out because they engaged in a protected practice outside of his shop is kicking them out because of what they are. Otherwise we could say that it's ok to deny service to people who, for example, march in a pride parade.