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What would be wrong having a Microsoft account to log in exactly? They aren't getting any more information from you then they have currently purchased. I remem

What would be wrong having a Microsoft account to log in exactly? They aren't getting any more information from you then they have currently purchased. I remember when I had a YouTube account, a blogger account and a Google account and I am glad I just use one google account myself.

snowwolf 8y ago
Because it’s an indicator of a loss of independence. And if you went through the Skype changeover you’ll know exactly what a fiasco that change to a Microsoft account was.
- baldfat 8y ago
  You mean from 2011 when Microsoft had totally different management and business model? I don't see the Steve Ballmer Microsoft has much bearing on today's Microsoft. Also it wasn't the Microsoft Account change as much as the they had the weird MS Store or Local account sign in options. I removed the Store sign in and only used local and had no issues. Am I missing something?
  - zeth___ 8y ago
    Jesus Christ. Is everyone here a teenager? Microsoft in the 80s might bot be a valid comparison today, but something that happened 6 years ago is barely yesterday. Institutions do not change that much that quickly. Microsoft 15 minutes ago isn't the Microsoft of today is just as true a statement and one just as vacuous.
    - baldfat 8y ago
      I'm closer to 50 and certainly not a teenager. Yes, Steve was the issue and his style was old fashion. There is no going back once you open up the shed. Why do people continue to want to punish a company for their past when their present has been so good? To keep punishing them and not rewarding them for their good deeds? P.S. I thought the whole anti-OpenSUSE movement was also plain old stupid.
      - zeth___ 8y ago
        On my evil list Micrisoft is better than Google and Facebook. But worse than Github. If I heard Microsoft was buying Oracle I'd be dancing in the streets.
      - executesorder66 8y ago
        > their present has been so good - Putting adverts directly into their OS (which people pay for by the way) - Forcing their shitty updates, (and restarts) at the most inconvenient times - making it impossible to permanently and easily turn off telemetry Wow, you have low standards. I bet if you ate dog shit, you'd say it's not so bad.
        baldfat 8y ago
        So Windows 10 isn't leaps and bounds better than Windows 7 or Windows 98???? Seriously Windows 10 is the first Windows I have ever actually liked. I got my OpenSUSE terminal open and using ranger and my other terminal programs working in Windows (At work I have to have Windows due to many issues on one computer) > Forcing their shitty updates, (and restarts) at the most inconvenient times Weird I have a pop up that says there is an update coming and when do I want to schedule it.... >Putting adverts directly into their OS (which people pay for by the way) Didn't care for it and I hit the disable on 3 switches > making it impossible to permanently and easily turn off telemetry They did push out an update over a year ago that makes it so you don't have to use the tools that were out since 2015. Telemetry was specific for Inside program and beta but I certainly see why people were freaking out. I looked at what was being collected and it seemed fine for me.
        glenneroo 8y ago
        So you haven't been getting the Candy Crush Saga, One Office trial, et al. games/software installed to the top of your "Start Menu" after every major OS update? It's only 2 clicks per app. And I'm sure it's part of why the last big update took 2 hours to finish (with only a warning, this may take a while... good thing my deadline was the next day and not in 2 hours... still ended up being a very long night, since the update broke other things). Also this last major update (Content Creator?) bricked a bunch of PCs... I had to do a "system reset" with USB stick to get things moving again.. but I'm still getting BSOD about once a week since then. What about them mucking up the Spectre/Meltdown patches which bricked a bunch of PCs? In my case I wasn't bricked but I had to rollback a patch. What about re-enabling of disabled services (e.g. Firewall, Defender) after some updates? Going back a couple years ago, what about downloading/pre-loading Windows 10 on Windows 7/8 computers, without the user asking first? Can we forgive them for that? It used up several GB of space and burned sometimes expensive bandwidth? Happened to my laptop while I was traveling, I only noticed after I started getting low disk space warnings. If I had a real list of the all the actual problems I've ever encountered with Windows, Windows 10 is definitely approaching Windows ME levels of incompetence. Maybe some of us are just having more issues because we have unique hardware configurations which don't play well with Microsoft's newest foray into OS experimentation. Or perhaps our expectations are too high?
lostapathy 8y ago
Because the whole "live" account thing is a total mess on their other properties that support it, and github's login system is great?
megaman22 8y ago
Microsoft accounts are a trainwreck... I've got at least three or four of them all with the same email address, and despite years of effort to link them together and consolidate, I still have to use all of them to log into different services and access different resources. The permissioning on things like Azure and VSTS doesn't make a lick of sense.
- reitanqild 8y ago
  Google kind of managed to force most accounts together. ;-) In the process it seems they managed to seriously undermine their new, really really nice social network by using the same name for that and now me and a few others have a nice social network all to ourselves :-\
- dcow 8y ago
  I began the process of creating an Azure account recently and somehow the Canada region was selected. The system locked my email address into Canada even though I already have a US region live account with the same email address. Since I don't have a Canadian zip code, I can't submit billing information and complete the provisioning process. I was willing to try Azure for a new project, but now I'm not because their accounts are such a mess. I talked with a project support technician for Azure who actually understood the issue but was unable to resolve it suggestion I use a different email address. I know I could, but on principle I won't. I'm actually really excited about MS+GitHub, but have to agree the account situation sucks.
- raarts 8y ago
  > Microsoft accounts are a train wreck. Now you put it like this, I realize I suffer from this too. The UX of having accounts in the Microsoft ecosystem sucks severely.

snowwolf 8y ago

Because it’s an indicator of a loss of independence. And if you went through the Skype changeover you’ll know exactly what a fiasco that change to a Microsoft account was.

baldfat 8y ago
You mean from 2011 when Microsoft had totally different management and business model? I don't see the Steve Ballmer Microsoft has much bearing on today's Microsoft. Also it wasn't the Microsoft Account change as much as the they had the weird MS Store or Local account sign in options. I removed the Store sign in and only used local and had no issues. Am I missing something?
- zeth___ 8y ago
  Jesus Christ. Is everyone here a teenager? Microsoft in the 80s might bot be a valid comparison today, but something that happened 6 years ago is barely yesterday. Institutions do not change that much that quickly. Microsoft 15 minutes ago isn't the Microsoft of today is just as true a statement and one just as vacuous.
  - baldfat 8y ago
    I'm closer to 50 and certainly not a teenager. Yes, Steve was the issue and his style was old fashion. There is no going back once you open up the shed. Why do people continue to want to punish a company for their past when their present has been so good? To keep punishing them and not rewarding them for their good deeds? P.S. I thought the whole anti-OpenSUSE movement was also plain old stupid.
    - zeth___ 8y ago
      On my evil list Micrisoft is better than Google and Facebook. But worse than Github. If I heard Microsoft was buying Oracle I'd be dancing in the streets.
    - executesorder66 8y ago
      > their present has been so good - Putting adverts directly into their OS (which people pay for by the way) - Forcing their shitty updates, (and restarts) at the most inconvenient times - making it impossible to permanently and easily turn off telemetry Wow, you have low standards. I bet if you ate dog shit, you'd say it's not so bad.
      - baldfat 8y ago
        So Windows 10 isn't leaps and bounds better than Windows 7 or Windows 98???? Seriously Windows 10 is the first Windows I have ever actually liked. I got my OpenSUSE terminal open and using ranger and my other terminal programs working in Windows (At work I have to have Windows due to many issues on one computer) > Forcing their shitty updates, (and restarts) at the most inconvenient times Weird I have a pop up that says there is an update coming and when do I want to schedule it.... >Putting adverts directly into their OS (which people pay for by the way) Didn't care for it and I hit the disable on 3 switches > making it impossible to permanently and easily turn off telemetry They did push out an update over a year ago that makes it so you don't have to use the tools that were out since 2015. Telemetry was specific for Inside program and beta but I certainly see why people were freaking out. I looked at what was being collected and it seemed fine for me.
        glenneroo 8y ago
        So you haven't been getting the Candy Crush Saga, One Office trial, et al. games/software installed to the top of your "Start Menu" after every major OS update? It's only 2 clicks per app. And I'm sure it's part of why the last big update took 2 hours to finish (with only a warning, this may take a while... good thing my deadline was the next day and not in 2 hours... still ended up being a very long night, since the update broke other things). Also this last major update (Content Creator?) bricked a bunch of PCs... I had to do a "system reset" with USB stick to get things moving again.. but I'm still getting BSOD about once a week since then. What about them mucking up the Spectre/Meltdown patches which bricked a bunch of PCs? In my case I wasn't bricked but I had to rollback a patch. What about re-enabling of disabled services (e.g. Firewall, Defender) after some updates? Going back a couple years ago, what about downloading/pre-loading Windows 10 on Windows 7/8 computers, without the user asking first? Can we forgive them for that? It used up several GB of space and burned sometimes expensive bandwidth? Happened to my laptop while I was traveling, I only noticed after I started getting low disk space warnings. If I had a real list of the all the actual problems I've ever encountered with Windows, Windows 10 is definitely approaching Windows ME levels of incompetence. Maybe some of us are just having more issues because we have unique hardware configurations which don't play well with Microsoft's newest foray into OS experimentation. Or perhaps our expectations are too high?

lostapathy 8y ago

Because the whole "live" account thing is a total mess on their other properties that support it, and github's login system is great?

megaman22 8y ago

Microsoft accounts are a trainwreck... I've got at least three or four of them all with the same email address, and despite years of effort to link them together and consolidate, I still have to use all of them to log into different services and access different resources. The permissioning on things like Azure and VSTS doesn't make a lick of sense.

reitanqild 8y ago
Google kind of managed to force most accounts together. ;-) In the process it seems they managed to seriously undermine their new, really really nice social network by using the same name for that and now me and a few others have a nice social network all to ourselves :-\
dcow 8y ago
I began the process of creating an Azure account recently and somehow the Canada region was selected. The system locked my email address into Canada even though I already have a US region live account with the same email address. Since I don't have a Canadian zip code, I can't submit billing information and complete the provisioning process. I was willing to try Azure for a new project, but now I'm not because their accounts are such a mess. I talked with a project support technician for Azure who actually understood the issue but was unable to resolve it suggestion I use a different email address. I know I could, but on principle I won't. I'm actually really excited about MS+GitHub, but have to agree the account situation sucks.
raarts 8y ago
> Microsoft accounts are a train wreck. Now you put it like this, I realize I suffer from this too. The UX of having accounts in the Microsoft ecosystem sucks severely.