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According to the New York Times article [1] the third parties were able to obtain information about you if a friend signs in on their phone, no consent from you

According to the New York Times article [1] the third parties were able to obtain information about you if a friend signs in on their phone, no consent from you required: > Facebook’s view that the device makers are not outsiders lets the partners go even further, The Times found: They can obtain data about a user’s Facebook friends, even those who have denied Facebook permission to share information with any third parties. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/03/technology/facebook-device-partners-users-friends-data.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/03/technology/fa...

md224 8y ago
Not siding with FB here, but their response appears to address this: > Contrary to claims by the New York Times, friends’ information, like photos, was only accessible on devices when people made a decision to share their information with those friends. Maybe the confusion is that FB isn't treating these integrations as "third parties" since they're supposed to be pseudo-official FB apps? Edit: Thinking about it further, this is the crux of the matter, isn't it? Whether or not an FB-approved "mobile experience" counts as an official FB app or a third-party app?
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- manquer 8y ago
  Sharing with friends is not the same as with data mining third party apps such friends install
ameister14 8y ago
Of course they can, though. Are you surprised that to see data on your phone (such as images/text your friends share with you and nobody else), your phone needs to be able to pull that data from the Facebook database? How else is it supposed to work? If your phone saved it or your provider saved the data in a server somewhere without your permission and used it for other purposes, that's a pretty big deal. As it is, this should only be a shock if you have no idea how the modern internet works.
miracle2k 8y ago
I log into the Facebook app on my Blackberry. I can see my friend's data in the same way I could as if I used the Facebook website. The only difference is that the app on the phone has been coded by Blackberry, and the JavaScript code in my browser has been coded by Facebook, except of course for the banner part that my ISP injected, or all the JavaScript code that third parties injected, and who are thus functionally equivalent to the code written by Blackberry. In this scenario, no third party had access to anyones data, right?
whitexn--g28h 8y ago
How is this different from your friends putting your contact information into a cloud synced contact list? You shared your information with your friends, it's not Facebook who decided how your friends use that information.
drb91 8y ago
The quoted behavior appears to essentially be the behavior of browsing your friend’s profile. Does the website itself also violate trust by allowing this behavior? Should Obama or Cambridge Analytica simply have violated the ToS to get users passwords to scrape facebook.com? I don’t really care; if you install the facebook app you deserve whatever it does.

md224 8y ago

Not siding with FB here, but their response appears to address this: > Contrary to claims by the New York Times, friends’ information, like photos, was only accessible on devices when people made a decision to share their information with those friends. Maybe the confusion is that FB isn't treating these integrations as "third parties" since they're supposed to be pseudo-official FB apps? Edit: Thinking about it further, this is the crux of the matter, isn't it? Whether or not an FB-approved "mobile experience" counts as an official FB app or a third-party app?

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manquer 8y ago
Sharing with friends is not the same as with data mining third party apps such friends install

ameister14 8y ago

Of course they can, though. Are you surprised that to see data on your phone (such as images/text your friends share with you and nobody else), your phone needs to be able to pull that data from the Facebook database? How else is it supposed to work? If your phone saved it or your provider saved the data in a server somewhere without your permission and used it for other purposes, that's a pretty big deal. As it is, this should only be a shock if you have no idea how the modern internet works.

miracle2k 8y ago

I log into the Facebook app on my Blackberry. I can see my friend's data in the same way I could as if I used the Facebook website. The only difference is that the app on the phone has been coded by Blackberry, and the JavaScript code in my browser has been coded by Facebook, except of course for the banner part that my ISP injected, or all the JavaScript code that third parties injected, and who are thus functionally equivalent to the code written by Blackberry. In this scenario, no third party had access to anyones data, right?

whitexn--g28h 8y ago

How is this different from your friends putting your contact information into a cloud synced contact list? You shared your information with your friends, it's not Facebook who decided how your friends use that information.

drb91 8y ago

The quoted behavior appears to essentially be the behavior of browsing your friend’s profile. Does the website itself also violate trust by allowing this behavior? Should Obama or Cambridge Analytica simply have violated the ToS to get users passwords to scrape facebook.com? I don’t really care; if you install the facebook app you deserve whatever it does.