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> you think your device is spying on you Well, of course it is. Ridiculous to think smartphones aren't spying on their users in this day and age. > But that’s

> you think your device is spying on you Well, of course it is. Ridiculous to think smartphones aren't spying on their users in this day and age. > But that’s not the story that the NYT has published here. Uh, yes it is. > I’m incredulous that programmers and hackers would feign surprise that a UI rendering a Facebook feed would necessarily use an API which returned a data structure with... your fucking Facebook feed. I'm incredulous at this sentence. Good lord what anger you have for people just being people. I don't see anyone here "feigning" surprise! I haven't seen that at all about this topic. No need to swear, either. We can talk like reasonable people. > If device manufactures or OS developers (Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, Amazon, Google, etc.) are exfiltrating personal data off of your device — and BTW my Facebook feed would be the least of my concerns in that case — prove it, and the point your pitchforks at them. I don't have a pitchfork out and I have absolutely no idea what you're ranting about. This swearing, pitchfork holding comment makes no sense to me. Didn't they take the data anyway? Sounds like you should have your pitchfork out and pointed at Apple, et. al. This is a privacy concern and that's real. It's not fake, it's real. Nobody is "feigning" concern, this is a real concern, we are not fake people writing fake opinions.

zaroth 8y ago
The ad hominem doesn’t help your argument. Look at how the NYT portrays the Blackberry Hub view as having access to the FB data required to render your feed, in order to render your FB feed... and equating it to a third party app having the same level of access. For starters, a user agent requires that you enter your FB username and password in order to function. If they rendered a Facebook feed through a browser the exact same data would have passed over the network, and the device would have had the same level of access to that data. It is sloppy reporting and a disservice to the non-technical community to equate an embedded user agent with a third party app. You seem to think the NYT wrote an article discussing the finer details of whether we can trust our personal devices to keep all the private data that flows through them. What I read seemed more like a sloppy hit-job on Facebook because it’s a popular punching bag of late.

zaroth 8y ago

The ad hominem doesn’t help your argument. Look at how the NYT portrays the Blackberry Hub view as having access to the FB data required to render your feed, in order to render your FB feed... and equating it to a third party app having the same level of access. For starters, a user agent requires that you enter your FB username and password in order to function. If they rendered a Facebook feed through a browser the exact same data would have passed over the network, and the device would have had the same level of access to that data. It is sloppy reporting and a disservice to the non-technical community to equate an embedded user agent with a third party app. You seem to think the NYT wrote an article discussing the finer details of whether we can trust our personal devices to keep all the private data that flows through them. What I read seemed more like a sloppy hit-job on Facebook because it’s a popular punching bag of late.