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“We don’t serve coloreds here”

cmonreally 8y ago
That's a disingenuous argument. They didn't say "we don't serve gays here", they said "we don't want to make a custom cake as requested". If a gay person walked in, picked a cake off the shelf and said "I'd like to buy this cake" and was refused for being gay, that's a different story. As in that would literally be a completely different story than what happened.
- lev99 8y ago
  Cake shops do custom cakes very often, it's standard business for them.
  - wang_li 8y ago
    They do, but I imagine there are quite a few (all?) cake shops that would refuse to make cakes with particular messages. What if, for example, a gay owned bakery was asked by a Muslim Imam to make a cake with the message "Thank Allah for the Pulse nightclub shooting"? Would the bakery be in violation of the CRA as they are discriminating on the basis of religion? The question in this case was not whether the baker would sell a cake to a gay person (he was willing to do so), it was whether the baker had to make a cake with a particular message that he felt violated his personal and deeply held beliefs.
    - paulmd 8y ago
      No, per the article the baker was not refusing to "make a cake with a specific message", he refused to make any custom cake for gay couples. >The Colorado Court of Appeals ruled that Mr. Phillips’s free speech rights had not been violated, noting that the couple had not discussed the cake’s design before Mr. Phillips turned them down.
  - cmonreally 8y ago
    At the time the cake was requested, state law afforded storekeepers some latitude to decline to create specific messages the storekeeper considered offensive. In fact, during the time this case was making its way through the courts the Colorado Civil Rights Commission upheld 3 other bakers' rights to decline to make cakes with messages that they thought were demeaning to gay persons or gay marriage.
drenvuk 8y ago
"We don't serve whites here" "We don't serve women here" "We don't serve Chinese here" "We don't serve emacs users here" "We don't serve zerg rushers here" "We don't serve pubg players here" "We don't serve Ayn Rand fans here" "We don't serve sex offenders here" "We don't serve bearded fellows here" "We don't serve tank top wearers here" "we don't serve smokers here" "We don't serve short people here" "We don't serve underhand servers here" "We don't serve pedophobes here" "We don't serve <subset of humans> here" It doesn't matter. It is his choice and his business.
- jhall1468 8y ago
  No, actually it does because we have laws that says it does. The hell is with all the trolls coming in like the Civil Rights Act doesn't exist.
  - drenvuk 8y ago
    It seems I'm wrong then, I didn't know the contents of the Civil Rights Act. Thanks for letting me know.
- dorp 8y ago
  TBH emacs users shouldn't be allowed /s.

That's a disingenuous argument. They didn't say "we don't serve gays here", they said "we don't want to make a custom cake as requested". If a gay person walked in, picked a cake off the shelf and said "I'd like to buy this cake" and was refused for being gay, that's a different story. As in that would literally be a completely different story than what happened.

lev99 8y ago
Cake shops do custom cakes very often, it's standard business for them.
- wang_li 8y ago
  They do, but I imagine there are quite a few (all?) cake shops that would refuse to make cakes with particular messages. What if, for example, a gay owned bakery was asked by a Muslim Imam to make a cake with the message "Thank Allah for the Pulse nightclub shooting"? Would the bakery be in violation of the CRA as they are discriminating on the basis of religion? The question in this case was not whether the baker would sell a cake to a gay person (he was willing to do so), it was whether the baker had to make a cake with a particular message that he felt violated his personal and deeply held beliefs.
  - paulmd 8y ago
    No, per the article the baker was not refusing to "make a cake with a specific message", he refused to make any custom cake for gay couples. >The Colorado Court of Appeals ruled that Mr. Phillips’s free speech rights had not been violated, noting that the couple had not discussed the cake’s design before Mr. Phillips turned them down.
- cmonreally 8y ago
  At the time the cake was requested, state law afforded storekeepers some latitude to decline to create specific messages the storekeeper considered offensive. In fact, during the time this case was making its way through the courts the Colorado Civil Rights Commission upheld 3 other bakers' rights to decline to make cakes with messages that they thought were demeaning to gay persons or gay marriage.

drenvuk 8y ago

"We don't serve whites here" "We don't serve women here" "We don't serve Chinese here" "We don't serve emacs users here" "We don't serve zerg rushers here" "We don't serve pubg players here" "We don't serve Ayn Rand fans here" "We don't serve sex offenders here" "We don't serve bearded fellows here" "We don't serve tank top wearers here" "we don't serve smokers here" "We don't serve short people here" "We don't serve underhand servers here" "We don't serve pedophobes here" "We don't serve <subset of humans> here" It doesn't matter. It is his choice and his business.

jhall1468 8y ago
No, actually it does because we have laws that says it does. The hell is with all the trolls coming in like the Civil Rights Act doesn't exist.
- drenvuk 8y ago
  It seems I'm wrong then, I didn't know the contents of the Civil Rights Act. Thanks for letting me know.
dorp 8y ago
TBH emacs users shouldn't be allowed /s.