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Slide 10: Microsoft <hearts> Open Source. It's really amazing how much Microsoft has changed (to the positive) since Ballmer stepped down as CEO.

blauditore 8y ago
Huh, wasn't it Ballmer who coined the famous "developers, developers, developers"?
- krig 8y ago
  That ”developers” has become synonymous with Open Source shows how far things have come since then. :)
  - thelastidiot 8y ago
    Someone had been drinking the Kool-Aid for sure. Get back to work, it's Monday morning and churn on those Github, er Microsoft commits. They will be watching you with vast interest.
    - krig 8y ago
      Did you reply to the wrong comment? I honestly don’t understand what you’re talking about, although it sounds like you’re not too happy about MS buying github. I certainly agree about that.
- usrusr 8y ago
  The term frequency of "developers" in today's slide deck surely brought up some memories...
ekianjo 8y ago
> Slide 10: Microsoft <hearts> Open Source. you do realize that's just PR talk right? Most of their money-making products and services are far from being open source, so let's tone down the grandiloquent claims a little.
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- pdpi 8y ago
  Open-sourcing large parts of .NET and providing MSSQL on Linux puts some very concrete deeds behind that statement, though.
- ckastner 8y ago
  The point I was trying to make was that there was a time, not too long ago, when Microsoft was actively hostile towards open source (and all of their money-making products where closed source). As to your point, it is possible for an entity to favor and support open source, even without the entity itself following this policy. These issues aren't one-dimensional.
  - sandworm101 8y ago
    >> there was a time, not too long ago, when Microsoft was actively hostile towards open source Have things changed in the last five minutes? MS and windows is still very hostile to f/oss. They do contribute cash here and there, and occasionally release a bit of code, but MS is still an IP bully. Ask them their opinion on customers running custom software on the XBone. Frankly, I'd be happy if they just switched their products to open standard file formats. Docx is the bane of my office existence.
    - scardine 8y ago
      We can do things like installing Ubuntu directly from the Windows Store - even if you despise MS you must concede they are changing for better.
      - sandworm101 8y ago
        >> installing Ubuntu directly from the Windows Store I cannot stop laughing at someone seeing that phrase as a positive. A major Linux distro being relegated to a windows app? That's the stuff of nightmares. how about installing Windows directly from the Ubuntu store? Let us see MS Word and Excel executable running seamlessly under Linux. That's what support for f/oss looks like.
some_account 8y ago
Comments like these leave me no hope for the future. Even with a history like Microsofts, people are quick to forgive instead of learning from mistakes. I didn't even think PR works on people but it does and it's sad to see it.
frou_dh 8y ago
I've read countless positive comments about "new Microsoft" on HN/Reddit/etc for multiple years at this point. Even if it's true, I humbly ask that we move beyond the fawning.
shmerl 8y ago
If they changed so much, let them reverse their claim that APIs are copyrightable, stop patent shakedowns (like on Android and etc.) and start supporting major FOSS cross platform initiatives like Vulkan. Until then I'll retain my skepticism about how much they have really changed.
- kjeetgill 8y ago
  Copyrightable APIs and patent shakedowns against Android we're done Oracle not Microsoft, right? Or did I miss something?
  - shmerl 8y ago
    https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-teaming-up-with-oracle-against-google-in-java-case/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-teaming-up-with-orac... http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=2011111122291296 http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20111111222912...
baybal2 8y ago
>Slide 10: Microsoft <hearts> Open Source. >It's really amazing how much Microsoft has changed (to the positive) since Ballmer stepped down as CEO. Protip: this is a lie
GuB-42 8y ago
They haven't changed to the positive, they have switched to other evils. They took Google's evil (all that spying), and a bit of Apple's evil (disposable hardware, Windows S walled garden).
zwischenzug 8y ago
Lock-in is now sought at the cloud layer.

blauditore 8y ago

Huh, wasn't it Ballmer who coined the famous "developers, developers, developers"?

krig 8y ago
That ”developers” has become synonymous with Open Source shows how far things have come since then. :)
- thelastidiot 8y ago
  Someone had been drinking the Kool-Aid for sure. Get back to work, it's Monday morning and churn on those Github, er Microsoft commits. They will be watching you with vast interest.
  - krig 8y ago
    Did you reply to the wrong comment? I honestly don’t understand what you’re talking about, although it sounds like you’re not too happy about MS buying github. I certainly agree about that.
usrusr 8y ago
The term frequency of "developers" in today's slide deck surely brought up some memories...

ekianjo 8y ago

> Slide 10: Microsoft <hearts> Open Source. you do realize that's just PR talk right? Most of their money-making products and services are far from being open source, so let's tone down the grandiloquent claims a little.

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pdpi 8y ago
Open-sourcing large parts of .NET and providing MSSQL on Linux puts some very concrete deeds behind that statement, though.
ckastner 8y ago
The point I was trying to make was that there was a time, not too long ago, when Microsoft was actively hostile towards open source (and all of their money-making products where closed source). As to your point, it is possible for an entity to favor and support open source, even without the entity itself following this policy. These issues aren't one-dimensional.
- sandworm101 8y ago
  >> there was a time, not too long ago, when Microsoft was actively hostile towards open source Have things changed in the last five minutes? MS and windows is still very hostile to f/oss. They do contribute cash here and there, and occasionally release a bit of code, but MS is still an IP bully. Ask them their opinion on customers running custom software on the XBone. Frankly, I'd be happy if they just switched their products to open standard file formats. Docx is the bane of my office existence.
  - scardine 8y ago
    We can do things like installing Ubuntu directly from the Windows Store - even if you despise MS you must concede they are changing for better.
    - sandworm101 8y ago
      >> installing Ubuntu directly from the Windows Store I cannot stop laughing at someone seeing that phrase as a positive. A major Linux distro being relegated to a windows app? That's the stuff of nightmares. how about installing Windows directly from the Ubuntu store? Let us see MS Word and Excel executable running seamlessly under Linux. That's what support for f/oss looks like.

some_account 8y ago

Comments like these leave me no hope for the future. Even with a history like Microsofts, people are quick to forgive instead of learning from mistakes. I didn't even think PR works on people but it does and it's sad to see it.

frou_dh 8y ago

I've read countless positive comments about "new Microsoft" on HN/Reddit/etc for multiple years at this point. Even if it's true, I humbly ask that we move beyond the fawning.

shmerl 8y ago

If they changed so much, let them reverse their claim that APIs are copyrightable, stop patent shakedowns (like on Android and etc.) and start supporting major FOSS cross platform initiatives like Vulkan. Until then I'll retain my skepticism about how much they have really changed.

kjeetgill 8y ago
Copyrightable APIs and patent shakedowns against Android we're done Oracle not Microsoft, right? Or did I miss something?
- shmerl 8y ago
  https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-teaming-up-with-oracle-against-google-in-java-case/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-teaming-up-with-orac... http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=2011111122291296 http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20111111222912...

baybal2 8y ago

>Slide 10: Microsoft <hearts> Open Source. >It's really amazing how much Microsoft has changed (to the positive) since Ballmer stepped down as CEO. Protip: this is a lie

GuB-42 8y ago

They haven't changed to the positive, they have switched to other evils. They took Google's evil (all that spying), and a bit of Apple's evil (disposable hardware, Windows S walled garden).

zwischenzug 8y ago

Lock-in is now sought at the cloud layer.