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Friendly reminder: this is the same Microsoft that "empowered" skype and once called open source a cancer. Its the same Microsoft that ruined open document sta

Friendly reminder: this is the same Microsoft that "empowered" skype and once called open source a cancer. Its the same Microsoft that ruined open document standards and started the browser wars. I wouldnt be surprised to see next years release of "Github Pro Platinum with Minecraft 3D and Windows Store integration" For those looking to move, https://gitlab.com https://gitlab.com is an excellent open source alternative that can easily import all your github projects. https://gitea.io https://gitea.io is also available and runs on as little as a raspberry pi.

hobofan 8y ago
Also the company that was responsible for killing the Limux project[0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux
- 7dare 8y ago
  > In November Munich city council decided to revert to Windows by 2020 with all systems being replaced by Windows 10 counterparts. > Reasons cited were adoption and users being unhappy with the lack of software available for Linux. > A report commissioned by Munich and undertaken by Accenture found the most important issues were organizational. > In 2018, journalistic group Investigate Europe released a video documentary via German public television network ARD, wherein it is claimed that the majority of city workers were satisfied with the operating system, with council members insinuating that the reversal was a personally motivated decision by lord mayor Dieter Reiter. > Reiter denied that he had initiated the reversal in gratitude for Microsoft moving its German headquarters from Unterschleißheim back to Munich. It's not as clear-cut as you're painting it.
  - foepys 8y ago
    Shortly before the official announcement of the end of LiMux, Microsoft's German headquarter moved to Munich [1]. It's also estimated to cost about 89 million € to return back to Windows [2 (german)], including 24 million € for "external consulting". 1: https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-germany-moves-into-a-new-headquarters/ https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-germany-moves-into-a-new-h... 2: https://www.heise.de/ct/ausgabe/2017-26-Muenchens-Rueckfall-auf-Windows-wird-zum-Millionengrab-3909196.html https://www.heise.de/ct/ausgabe/2017-26-Muenchens-Rueckfall-...
    - 7dare 8y ago
      That is still conspiracy and not "Microsoft killing a project".
      - kara_jade 8y ago
        So, hypothetically of course, if Microsoft subtly let the new Mayor Dieter Reiter know that they will only build their new headquarter in Munich if Windows was to replace LiMux, then what about this could not be considered as Microsoft killing LiMux? Sure, they didn't directly pull the plug, but that's semantics.
  - kara_jade 8y ago
    It's not clear-cut in the sense that Munich's IT landscape was and is fragmented which made and makes it very easy to blame IT problems on LiMux. But that doesn't make me believe even for one second that Microsoft didn't lobby their way back to Munich. Here's a little story from some years back about Microsoft's lobbying efforts to prevent usage of ODF as a standard in the UK: https://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240234078/Government-open-standards-the-curious-case-of-Microsoft-and-the-minister https://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240234078/Government-op...
- croshan 8y ago
  Wow, I had no idea. That seemed so big for OSS, and the killing blow was relatively recent. It doesn't seem as if MSFT has entirely changed.
- kara_jade 8y ago
  May be of further interest to German-speaking folks in Munich: there will be a discussion about LiMux on 11th June with former Munich mayor Christian Ude and others. https://www.gruene-muenchen.de/terminliste/termin/freie-fahrt-fuer-freie-software/ https://www.gruene-muenchen.de/terminliste/termin/freie-fahr...
deadcast 8y ago
I just finished moving all my 20+ repos over from github and deleted all of my github accounts. Feels good actually. I'm glad to see gitlab getting good attention. I bet all of the people behind gitlab are feeling pumped/anxious/excited right now! ^_^
- justaguyhere 8y ago
  I hope you are right and I hope Gitlab folks are happy. But also note that it just became easier in many big corporations to sell Github to senior management, because you know, "nobody got fired for choosing Microsoft"
- icedchai 8y ago
  Congratulations! That sounds like a really good use of your time. Nobody ever get fired for choosing Microsoft...
  - deadcast 8y ago
    It was actually very easy for me lmao. ^_^ I'm nooooooo noob to computer technology.
jacquesm 8y ago
> Gitlab Pro Platinum GitHub?
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tjoff 8y ago
Friendly reminder: Skype was pure garbage before MS acquired it. I have no idea from where people got the idea that MS ruined Skype. Started the browser wars? Too bad the browser wars have been too small, because we obviously haven't learned anything from them.
- sarreph 8y ago
  Erm, while I agree Skype wasn't the pinnacle of chat software pre-MS acquisition, I believe OP is referring to their absolute butchering of the consumer client[0]. Anecdotally, I stopped using Skype for iOS shortly after it was changed because it went from a solid, reliable internet-calling service to probably the most buggy / laggy interface I could have expected. [0] - https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-updates-skype-after-users-slam-redesign/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-updates-skype-after-...
- pmlnr 8y ago
  > Skype was pure garbage before MS acquired it. You have a weird memory. Skype was a very nice thing back in ~2009-2010.
  - cobalt 8y ago
    maybe its call quality was better, but its client has been garbage all the way back to the msn messenger days.
  - gazarsgo 8y ago
    Skype grabs port 80 and 443 by default, which is not very nice. Since at least 2010, but ISTR even earlier than that.
- Exuma 8y ago
  You're totally off your rocker. They undeniably obliterated Skype in every possible way. Literally, it is an absolute abortion. Look on ANY community site about Skype, you will see its 95% livid rage to this sorry excuse of an app (including me, I actually used Skype for everything, now I'm forced to use the old version which hopefully isn't deprecated). https://www.reddit.com/r/skype/search?q=new+skype&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all https://www.reddit.com/r/skype/search?q=new+skype&restrict_s...
rkangel 8y ago
> once called open source a cancer There are some really good arguments as to why we should be worried about Microsoft so can we please stop ruining them by using this complete misquote as a component. This comment covers it well: > This is disingenuous. He was referring to the licensing model of certain open-source projects, where the introduction of a single line of code coming from an open source project would require the whole of the Windows stack to be open-source, effectively "contaminating" the rest of the stack. To this day this is still a problem to many companies and legal department must carefully review the licensing of the libraries used by their devs. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17225806 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17225806
- pera 8y ago
  To be more precise, this is what Steve Ballmer said back in 2001: > [...] Linux is a cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches. That's the way that the license works. https://web.archive.org/web/20011108013601/http://www.suntimes.com/output/tech/cst-fin-micro01.html https://web.archive.org/web/20011108013601/http://www.suntim...
  - cup-of-tea 8y ago
    But in fact, copyright is the cancer. There is no way to disable copyright. Even if you put something in the public domain, copyright will reattach itself and future users can be legally denied full access to it. Copyleft is the cure for copyright. It's the only cure we know.
    - dkersten 8y ago
      Except that GPL comes with its own set of restrictions and it forces these restrictions on every bit of code it touches. LGPL is a bit better but I find the line confusing and blurry often. Many people do not believe it to be the cure at all.
      - cup-of-tea 8y ago
sevensor 8y ago
There's cgit if you just want people to be able to clone over https. They can always e-mail you patches.
Aldo_MX 8y ago
> this is the same Microsoft No, it isn't. It's like saying that Ford is the same company that finds more profitable to let customers burn than to fix a flaw[1]. [1]: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Professionalism/The_Ford_Pinto_Gas_Tank_Controversy https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Professionalism/The_Ford_Pinto...

hobofan 8y ago

Also the company that was responsible for killing the Limux project[0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux

7dare 8y ago
> In November Munich city council decided to revert to Windows by 2020 with all systems being replaced by Windows 10 counterparts. > Reasons cited were adoption and users being unhappy with the lack of software available for Linux. > A report commissioned by Munich and undertaken by Accenture found the most important issues were organizational. > In 2018, journalistic group Investigate Europe released a video documentary via German public television network ARD, wherein it is claimed that the majority of city workers were satisfied with the operating system, with council members insinuating that the reversal was a personally motivated decision by lord mayor Dieter Reiter. > Reiter denied that he had initiated the reversal in gratitude for Microsoft moving its German headquarters from Unterschleißheim back to Munich. It's not as clear-cut as you're painting it.
- foepys 8y ago
  Shortly before the official announcement of the end of LiMux, Microsoft's German headquarter moved to Munich [1]. It's also estimated to cost about 89 million € to return back to Windows [2 (german)], including 24 million € for "external consulting". 1: https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-germany-moves-into-a-new-headquarters/ https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-germany-moves-into-a-new-h... 2: https://www.heise.de/ct/ausgabe/2017-26-Muenchens-Rueckfall-auf-Windows-wird-zum-Millionengrab-3909196.html https://www.heise.de/ct/ausgabe/2017-26-Muenchens-Rueckfall-...
  - 7dare 8y ago
    That is still conspiracy and not "Microsoft killing a project".
    - kara_jade 8y ago
      So, hypothetically of course, if Microsoft subtly let the new Mayor Dieter Reiter know that they will only build their new headquarter in Munich if Windows was to replace LiMux, then what about this could not be considered as Microsoft killing LiMux? Sure, they didn't directly pull the plug, but that's semantics.
- kara_jade 8y ago
  It's not clear-cut in the sense that Munich's IT landscape was and is fragmented which made and makes it very easy to blame IT problems on LiMux. But that doesn't make me believe even for one second that Microsoft didn't lobby their way back to Munich. Here's a little story from some years back about Microsoft's lobbying efforts to prevent usage of ODF as a standard in the UK: https://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240234078/Government-open-standards-the-curious-case-of-Microsoft-and-the-minister https://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240234078/Government-op...
croshan 8y ago
Wow, I had no idea. That seemed so big for OSS, and the killing blow was relatively recent. It doesn't seem as if MSFT has entirely changed.
kara_jade 8y ago
May be of further interest to German-speaking folks in Munich: there will be a discussion about LiMux on 11th June with former Munich mayor Christian Ude and others. https://www.gruene-muenchen.de/terminliste/termin/freie-fahrt-fuer-freie-software/ https://www.gruene-muenchen.de/terminliste/termin/freie-fahr...

deadcast 8y ago

I just finished moving all my 20+ repos over from github and deleted all of my github accounts. Feels good actually. I'm glad to see gitlab getting good attention. I bet all of the people behind gitlab are feeling pumped/anxious/excited right now! ^_^

justaguyhere 8y ago
I hope you are right and I hope Gitlab folks are happy. But also note that it just became easier in many big corporations to sell Github to senior management, because you know, "nobody got fired for choosing Microsoft"
icedchai 8y ago
Congratulations! That sounds like a really good use of your time. Nobody ever get fired for choosing Microsoft...
- deadcast 8y ago
  It was actually very easy for me lmao. ^_^ I'm nooooooo noob to computer technology.

jacquesm 8y ago

> Gitlab Pro Platinum GitHub?

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tjoff 8y ago

Friendly reminder: Skype was pure garbage before MS acquired it. I have no idea from where people got the idea that MS ruined Skype. Started the browser wars? Too bad the browser wars have been too small, because we obviously haven't learned anything from them.

sarreph 8y ago
Erm, while I agree Skype wasn't the pinnacle of chat software pre-MS acquisition, I believe OP is referring to their absolute butchering of the consumer client[0]. Anecdotally, I stopped using Skype for iOS shortly after it was changed because it went from a solid, reliable internet-calling service to probably the most buggy / laggy interface I could have expected. [0] - https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-updates-skype-after-users-slam-redesign/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-updates-skype-after-...
pmlnr 8y ago
> Skype was pure garbage before MS acquired it. You have a weird memory. Skype was a very nice thing back in ~2009-2010.
- cobalt 8y ago
  maybe its call quality was better, but its client has been garbage all the way back to the msn messenger days.
- gazarsgo 8y ago
  Skype grabs port 80 and 443 by default, which is not very nice. Since at least 2010, but ISTR even earlier than that.
Exuma 8y ago
You're totally off your rocker. They undeniably obliterated Skype in every possible way. Literally, it is an absolute abortion. Look on ANY community site about Skype, you will see its 95% livid rage to this sorry excuse of an app (including me, I actually used Skype for everything, now I'm forced to use the old version which hopefully isn't deprecated). https://www.reddit.com/r/skype/search?q=new+skype&restrict_sr=on&sort=relevance&t=all https://www.reddit.com/r/skype/search?q=new+skype&restrict_s...

rkangel 8y ago

> once called open source a cancer There are some really good arguments as to why we should be worried about Microsoft so can we please stop ruining them by using this complete misquote as a component. This comment covers it well: > This is disingenuous. He was referring to the licensing model of certain open-source projects, where the introduction of a single line of code coming from an open source project would require the whole of the Windows stack to be open-source, effectively "contaminating" the rest of the stack. To this day this is still a problem to many companies and legal department must carefully review the licensing of the libraries used by their devs. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17225806 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17225806

pera 8y ago
To be more precise, this is what Steve Ballmer said back in 2001: > [...] Linux is a cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches. That's the way that the license works. https://web.archive.org/web/20011108013601/http://www.suntimes.com/output/tech/cst-fin-micro01.html https://web.archive.org/web/20011108013601/http://www.suntim...
- cup-of-tea 8y ago
  But in fact, copyright is the cancer. There is no way to disable copyright. Even if you put something in the public domain, copyright will reattach itself and future users can be legally denied full access to it. Copyleft is the cure for copyright. It's the only cure we know.
  - dkersten 8y ago
    Except that GPL comes with its own set of restrictions and it forces these restrictions on every bit of code it touches. LGPL is a bit better but I find the line confusing and blurry often. Many people do not believe it to be the cure at all.
    - cup-of-tea 8y ago

sevensor 8y ago

There's cgit if you just want people to be able to clone over https. They can always e-mail you patches.

Aldo_MX 8y ago

> this is the same Microsoft No, it isn't. It's like saying that Ford is the same company that finds more profitable to let customers burn than to fix a flaw[1]. [1]: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Professionalism/The_Ford_Pinto_Gas_Tank_Controversy https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Professionalism/The_Ford_Pinto...