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Guess that's the very definition of finally reaching their stated goal: Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Dev

Guess that's the very definition of finally reaching their stated goal: Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33grif58qO8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33grif58qO8

gear54rus 8y ago
Now they can finally begin to squeeze everything out of them. The 'extinguish' stage.
bovermyer 8y ago
Keeping in mind, of course, that Ballmer's Microsoft is very, very different from Nadella's Microsoft...
- angersock 8y ago
  Yeah, it had reliable revenue streams....
  - mistermann 8y ago
    Can you provide evidence that it is in fact very different in that respect?
- sametmax 8y ago
  Keeping in mind, of course, that it's an opinion, and not a fact. I happen to have the opposite opinion, although I documented it a lot more: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17225290 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17225290 History does not help with trusting them. So let's wait and see. But I talked about MS PR team before, and I can already see it at work everywhere. Here, the first HN links were not warmly welcomed, so we had another one published, then another one published, until one with a positive top comment for them is here. Also plenty of comments to defend them by using vague positive things like "they did good things recently" or "they like open source". If you go on reddit you'll see the same is happening. The good thing is that it means now they care a lot about what we think of them. They didn't before. So at least, if they haven't changed, they are forced to act like they have.
  - ethbro 8y ago
    MS PR astroturfing HN is one potential cause. Another possibility is that HN members are responding favorably to MS's recent moves. Be careful not to dismiss anything that runs counter to your own narrative as fake. Like you said, we'll see!
    - dorfcakeling 8y ago
      It doesn't have to be astroturfing. Repeatedly exposing HN readers to the same news would be a good way to gradually increase positive opinion until a desirable threshold is reached ("the first positive top comment").
      - ethbro 8y ago
        You'll have to walk me through your logic on that again. How is repeated exposure more likely to increase positive opinion?
        misterhtmlcss 8y ago
        Read up on psychology and his comment will be totally self evident. This is a completely normal phenomenon.
        superkuh 8y ago
        It is more likely to be perceived as a common opinion and then people tend to go with what they think the crowd thinks. (PDF) http://erewhon.superkuh.com/library/Neuroscience/Psychology/Inferring%20the%20Popularity%20of%20an%20Opinion%20From%20Its%20Familiarity_%20A%20Repetitive%20Voice%20Can%20Sound%20Like%20a%20Chorus_%20psp-925821.pdf http://erewhon.superkuh.com/library/Neuroscience/Psychology/...
        ethbro 8y ago
        That would work through repeatedly exposing people to positive or favorable news. Aka astroturfing. Aka what I asked about. Parent comment specified the same news, which makes less sense. If I hear 100x that MS is buying GitHub, that doesn't make me more likely to respond favorably.
SideburnsOfDoom 8y ago
These days Bill Gates is a philanthropist and Steve Ballmer owns a Basketball team.
shawn 8y ago
Credit where credit's due: http://developersdevelopersdevelopersdevelopers.ytmnd.com/ http://developersdevelopersdevelopersdevelopers.ytmnd.com/ I still remember when this was made.

gear54rus 8y ago

Now they can finally begin to squeeze everything out of them. The 'extinguish' stage.

bovermyer 8y ago

Keeping in mind, of course, that Ballmer's Microsoft is very, very different from Nadella's Microsoft...

angersock 8y ago
Yeah, it had reliable revenue streams....
- mistermann 8y ago
  Can you provide evidence that it is in fact very different in that respect?
sametmax 8y ago
Keeping in mind, of course, that it's an opinion, and not a fact. I happen to have the opposite opinion, although I documented it a lot more: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17225290 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17225290 History does not help with trusting them. So let's wait and see. But I talked about MS PR team before, and I can already see it at work everywhere. Here, the first HN links were not warmly welcomed, so we had another one published, then another one published, until one with a positive top comment for them is here. Also plenty of comments to defend them by using vague positive things like "they did good things recently" or "they like open source". If you go on reddit you'll see the same is happening. The good thing is that it means now they care a lot about what we think of them. They didn't before. So at least, if they haven't changed, they are forced to act like they have.
- ethbro 8y ago
  MS PR astroturfing HN is one potential cause. Another possibility is that HN members are responding favorably to MS's recent moves. Be careful not to dismiss anything that runs counter to your own narrative as fake. Like you said, we'll see!
  - dorfcakeling 8y ago
    It doesn't have to be astroturfing. Repeatedly exposing HN readers to the same news would be a good way to gradually increase positive opinion until a desirable threshold is reached ("the first positive top comment").
    - ethbro 8y ago
      You'll have to walk me through your logic on that again. How is repeated exposure more likely to increase positive opinion?
      - misterhtmlcss 8y ago
        Read up on psychology and his comment will be totally self evident. This is a completely normal phenomenon.
      - superkuh 8y ago
        It is more likely to be perceived as a common opinion and then people tend to go with what they think the crowd thinks. (PDF) http://erewhon.superkuh.com/library/Neuroscience/Psychology/Inferring%20the%20Popularity%20of%20an%20Opinion%20From%20Its%20Familiarity_%20A%20Repetitive%20Voice%20Can%20Sound%20Like%20a%20Chorus_%20psp-925821.pdf http://erewhon.superkuh.com/library/Neuroscience/Psychology/...
        ethbro 8y ago
        That would work through repeatedly exposing people to positive or favorable news. Aka astroturfing. Aka what I asked about. Parent comment specified the same news, which makes less sense. If I hear 100x that MS is buying GitHub, that doesn't make me more likely to respond favorably.

SideburnsOfDoom 8y ago

These days Bill Gates is a philanthropist and Steve Ballmer owns a Basketball team.

shawn 8y ago

Credit where credit's due: http://developersdevelopersdevelopersdevelopers.ytmnd.com/ http://developersdevelopersdevelopersdevelopers.ytmnd.com/ I still remember when this was made.