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Yeah, Bayer's gonna see their reputation fade a bit, especially after their past classic hits, including but not limited to Heroin; Slave Labor, Human Experimen

by fiblye 8y ago

Yeah, Bayer's gonna see their reputation fade a bit, especially after their past classic hits, including but not limited to Heroin; Slave Labor, Human Experimentation, and Investments in Human Poison During the Holocaust and The World War: Pt II; as well as Intentionally Spreading HIV in Asia: Nobody's Gonna Give a Shit. When it comes to existing companies that've had intentionally tremendously horrible effects on humanity, it's hard to think of any worse than Bayer.

faitswulff 8y ago
> Intentionally Spreading HIV in Asia: Nobody's Gonna Give a Shit Whoa, what? First I've heard of this. A sort of Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment writ large in Asia?
- jpangs88 8y ago
  http://anonhq.com/yes-bayer-drug-knowingly-infected-people-hiv/ http://anonhq.com/yes-bayer-drug-knowingly-infected-people-h...
- bgarbiak 8y ago
  I believe this is this: "(Bayer's) Cutter (Laboratories) misrepresented the results of its own research and sold the contaminated AHF to overseas markets in Asia and Latin America without the precaution of heat treating the product recommended for eliminating the risk. As a consequence, hemophiliacs who infused the HIV-contaminated Factor VIII and IX tested positive for HIV and developed AIDS." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24785997 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24785997
  - contravariant 8y ago
    Being asked to pay 36 euros to see the actual article is somewhat disturbing and worrisome.
    - Matrixik 8y ago
      Sci-hub to the rescue: https://sci-hub.tw/10.1080/08989621.2014.882780 https://sci-hub.tw/10.1080/08989621.2014.882780
- fiblye 8y ago
  After it was revealed that their products were infected and had to be recalled, they realized they could make some cash by just selling it in countries without easy access to western media reports at the time. And Bayer being Bayer, they did it. [1] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/may/23/aids.suzannegoldenberg https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/may/23/aids.suzannego...
  - bcoates 8y ago
    That's misleading to the point of dishonesty. It wasn't just some bad batch. Factor VIII concentrate required large amounts of human blood plasma to produce, had no real substitute, and was inherently going to be infected once the HIV virus became widespread. It wasn't even certain at the time that the new sterilization procedure was effective against AIDS. There's some serious questions about how decisions were made under crisis conditions, and particularly about the culture of hiding information from patients in the medical community (even in the west) in order to "prevent panic", "for their own good", etc. but it's hard to fight a culture of lying with more lies.
    - fiblye 8y ago
      They knew it was infected. That's the reason they recalled it in financially significant territories. They continued to sell it for a full year after that point. Accidents happen, but intentionally taking your product out of one market that declares it dangerous and dumping it on another--for a period extending one year--isn't an accident. It's a very intentional, shortsighted move to minimize losses.
      - abandonliberty 8y ago
        >shortsighted Was it, though? I can't find any reference of consequences from these territories.
        rhizome 8y ago
        Did you check their mortality rates?

by fiblye 8y ago

faitswulff 8y ago

> Intentionally Spreading HIV in Asia: Nobody's Gonna Give a Shit Whoa, what? First I've heard of this. A sort of Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment writ large in Asia?

jpangs88 8y ago
http://anonhq.com/yes-bayer-drug-knowingly-infected-people-hiv/ http://anonhq.com/yes-bayer-drug-knowingly-infected-people-h...
bgarbiak 8y ago
I believe this is this: "(Bayer's) Cutter (Laboratories) misrepresented the results of its own research and sold the contaminated AHF to overseas markets in Asia and Latin America without the precaution of heat treating the product recommended for eliminating the risk. As a consequence, hemophiliacs who infused the HIV-contaminated Factor VIII and IX tested positive for HIV and developed AIDS." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24785997 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24785997
- contravariant 8y ago
  Being asked to pay 36 euros to see the actual article is somewhat disturbing and worrisome.
  - Matrixik 8y ago
    Sci-hub to the rescue: https://sci-hub.tw/10.1080/08989621.2014.882780 https://sci-hub.tw/10.1080/08989621.2014.882780
fiblye 8y ago
After it was revealed that their products were infected and had to be recalled, they realized they could make some cash by just selling it in countries without easy access to western media reports at the time. And Bayer being Bayer, they did it. [1] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/may/23/aids.suzannegoldenberg https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/may/23/aids.suzannego...
- bcoates 8y ago
  That's misleading to the point of dishonesty. It wasn't just some bad batch. Factor VIII concentrate required large amounts of human blood plasma to produce, had no real substitute, and was inherently going to be infected once the HIV virus became widespread. It wasn't even certain at the time that the new sterilization procedure was effective against AIDS. There's some serious questions about how decisions were made under crisis conditions, and particularly about the culture of hiding information from patients in the medical community (even in the west) in order to "prevent panic", "for their own good", etc. but it's hard to fight a culture of lying with more lies.
  - fiblye 8y ago
    They knew it was infected. That's the reason they recalled it in financially significant territories. They continued to sell it for a full year after that point. Accidents happen, but intentionally taking your product out of one market that declares it dangerous and dumping it on another--for a period extending one year--isn't an accident. It's a very intentional, shortsighted move to minimize losses.
    - abandonliberty 8y ago
      >shortsighted Was it, though? I can't find any reference of consequences from these territories.
      - rhizome 8y ago
        Did you check their mortality rates?