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How is Apple not developer friendly?

by ssijak 8y ago

pjmlp 8y ago
They are, just not to the FOSS crowd that tries to use macOS as if it was GNU/Linux with a pretty face.
- ssijak 8y ago
  Well, you pretty much describe my use case for Apple laptops. I resisted for a long time and used Linux desktop for dev work, but when I bought the first MacBook I never looked back. I would describe macOS as Linux desktop that works.
  - tjoff 8y ago
    That is great but the point was that it has nothing to do with apple being developer friendly or not.
onion2k 8y ago
XCode is a clunky horrible mess of an IDE, iTunes Connect is worse, and they charge $100/year for a developer account. Also, they try to lock you in to buying Apple hardware to develop for Apple devices (though you can get around that using, among others, Microsoft's Visual Studio App Center).
- ssijak 8y ago
  You can use AppCode. XCode being a mess is not making Apple developer unfriendly, it just means that they don`t know how to make a good IDE. I don`t mind 100$ per year if it means better support then nonexistant Google support. Also if I am making money off the platform I don`t mind paying. And it also stops random people submitting crap apps to the store.
  - onion2k 8y ago
    And it also stops random people submitting crap apps to the store. It clearly doesn't work.
    - rbanffy 8y ago
      It's much better than the Windows app store though.
      - bausshf 8y ago
        That isn't really a good argument
- slowmotiony 8y ago
  Agreed about XCode but Eclipse is also a horrible mess of an IDE, that doesn't make IBM unfriendly to developers.
josteink 8y ago
> How is Apple not developer friendly? I’m going to put in some good faith and assume this comment was meant sarcastically and not as a pure trolling.
- bmarkovic 8y ago
  You haven't dealt with Apple faithful much I presume.
Quarrelsome 8y ago
Apple store EULA agreement with developers is the most macabre and lengthy mis-spelling of the words: "fuck you". Its not a nice agreement.
- rbanffy 8y ago
  Apple places users first, developers next, hardware makers (direct competitors) last. Microsoft places competitors (people who develop operating systems, databases, etc) on an entirely different list.
  - Quarrelsome 8y ago
    Apple shuts down hardware makers in the Apple eco-system aggressively and at least Microsoft usually has the manners to buy out the developers that makes things it likes and wants to integrate into its OS.
rbanffy 8y ago
Apple is user-friendly first. Developers for Apple technologies come next and all other developers who like the Unix environment of OSX come next. The only reason I use a Mac is because the computer is very well built, fast enough, and runs an OS that's Unix-like enough for my needs. The fact it's not Linux is the reason I routinely use two other laptops, one with Ubuntu, one with Fedora (and a big Lenovo box that runs about a dozen VMs).

How is Apple not developer friendly?

by ssijak 8y ago

How is Apple not developer friendly?

pjmlp 8y ago

They are, just not to the FOSS crowd that tries to use macOS as if it was GNU/Linux with a pretty face.

ssijak 8y ago
Well, you pretty much describe my use case for Apple laptops. I resisted for a long time and used Linux desktop for dev work, but when I bought the first MacBook I never looked back. I would describe macOS as Linux desktop that works.
- tjoff 8y ago
  That is great but the point was that it has nothing to do with apple being developer friendly or not.

onion2k 8y ago

XCode is a clunky horrible mess of an IDE, iTunes Connect is worse, and they charge $100/year for a developer account. Also, they try to lock you in to buying Apple hardware to develop for Apple devices (though you can get around that using, among others, Microsoft's Visual Studio App Center).

ssijak 8y ago
You can use AppCode. XCode being a mess is not making Apple developer unfriendly, it just means that they don`t know how to make a good IDE. I don`t mind 100$ per year if it means better support then nonexistant Google support. Also if I am making money off the platform I don`t mind paying. And it also stops random people submitting crap apps to the store.
- onion2k 8y ago
  And it also stops random people submitting crap apps to the store. It clearly doesn't work.
  - rbanffy 8y ago
    It's much better than the Windows app store though.
    - bausshf 8y ago
      That isn't really a good argument
slowmotiony 8y ago
Agreed about XCode but Eclipse is also a horrible mess of an IDE, that doesn't make IBM unfriendly to developers.

josteink 8y ago

> How is Apple not developer friendly? I’m going to put in some good faith and assume this comment was meant sarcastically and not as a pure trolling.

bmarkovic 8y ago
You haven't dealt with Apple faithful much I presume.

Quarrelsome 8y ago

Apple store EULA agreement with developers is the most macabre and lengthy mis-spelling of the words: "fuck you". Its not a nice agreement.

rbanffy 8y ago
Apple places users first, developers next, hardware makers (direct competitors) last. Microsoft places competitors (people who develop operating systems, databases, etc) on an entirely different list.
- Quarrelsome 8y ago
  Apple shuts down hardware makers in the Apple eco-system aggressively and at least Microsoft usually has the manners to buy out the developers that makes things it likes and wants to integrate into its OS.

rbanffy 8y ago

Apple is user-friendly first. Developers for Apple technologies come next and all other developers who like the Unix environment of OSX come next. The only reason I use a Mac is because the computer is very well built, fast enough, and runs an OS that's Unix-like enough for my needs. The fact it's not Linux is the reason I routinely use two other laptops, one with Ubuntu, one with Fedora (and a big Lenovo box that runs about a dozen VMs).