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I'm a little more optimistic than you. Former sceptics/deniers are waking up and significant mitigation action is taking place, both on a personal and global le

I'm a little more optimistic than you. Former sceptics/deniers are waking up and significant mitigation action is taking place, both on a personal and global level. More people are realising they can reduce their carbon footprint significantly without seriously affecting their quality of life. The frustration is that the action we're taking isn't proportional to the scale of the problem. We aren't going to come through this unscathed but we still have some room to maneuver. Here's some better news: http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2148684/coming-plate-near-you-soon-rice-grown-chinese-scientists-using http://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/2148684/comin... I certainly wouldn't assume we can innovate our way out of trouble, but we may be able to solve some of the problems climate change is going to cause us.

m_mueller 8y ago
Do you have any evidence of deniers waking up? I haven't yet seen as much, especially at policy maker level, it rather seems to have gotten worse with the Trump election.
- creaghpatr 8y ago
  There are plenty of pragmatists ready to endorse actionable climate initiatives that don't involve the transfer of wealth and sovereignty of the US to a collective ruling body like the UN. But when we encounter someone who slurs the opposition with the 'denier' label, it's unconvincing that your interests are truly with improving the climate rather than proving a political point.
  - m_mueller 8y ago
    It's one thing to see climate management as a fight between nations or political parties, but it's another to claim that climate is not a problem we should care about at all. The latter stance is IMO prevalent in current USGov - I'd love to be proven wrong though. If this holds then I don't see how the 'denier' label doesn't fit.

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I'm a little more optimistic than you. Former sceptics/deniers are waking up and significant mitigation action is taking place, both on a personal and global le

by KnightOfWords 8y ago

m_mueller 8y ago
Do you have any evidence of deniers waking up? I haven't yet seen as much, especially at policy maker level, it rather seems to have gotten worse with the Trump election.
- creaghpatr 8y ago
  There are plenty of pragmatists ready to endorse actionable climate initiatives that don't involve the transfer of wealth and sovereignty of the US to a collective ruling body like the UN. But when we encounter someone who slurs the opposition with the 'denier' label, it's unconvincing that your interests are truly with improving the climate rather than proving a political point.
  - m_mueller 8y ago
    It's one thing to see climate management as a fight between nations or political parties, but it's another to claim that climate is not a problem we should care about at all. The latter stance is IMO prevalent in current USGov - I'd love to be proven wrong though. If this holds then I don't see how the 'denier' label doesn't fit.