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> but biggest part of all, its PHP based, written to a very high standard through & through What?! Holy shit. Is that considered a positive thing these days?!

> but biggest part of all, its PHP based, written to a very high standard through & through What?! Holy shit. Is that considered a positive thing these days?! I must be quite out of the damn loop.

apocalyptic0n3 8y ago
PHP applications are extremely easy to install and keep running, and Phabricator is probably the cream of the crop in terms of code quality. The devs have done an incredible job with it. So the answer is "it can be" considered a positive thing.
NightlyDev 8y ago
Well, there's nothing wrong with using PHP, and the performance is often better than with other comparable options. Personally I really enjoy PHP 7. If you're way out of the loop then all you need to know is that PHP 7 is quite awesome.
- djsumdog 8y ago
  You can write clean code in any language, and I've written some nice PHP, but the language itself has many fundamental design problems. For example, printf shouldn't have side-effects on a datetime object: https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=75232 https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=75232 I run some OSS stuff on PHP, but in containers to keep it all isolated. Although things have gotten better with PHP7, knowing what I know about the language makes me hesitant to use it on any new project for anything except the most trivial systems.
  - NightlyDev 8y ago
    That should definetly be fixed, but it's not something people will ever experience unless they try to write broken code by using undocumented features/sideeffects. What exactly is it you know about the language that makes you hesitant to use it?
    - djsumdog 8y ago
      It's type system and automatic casting/comparing is a nightmare. Although there are namespaces now, the idea of everything being in the global scope was insane (and still even with namespaces, much is still in the global scope). mysql_real_escape_string There are no type-safe comparisons for greater or less then (You have ===, but no <== or >==). This article: https://eev.ee/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ https://eev.ee/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ This subreddit: https://reddit.com/r/lolphp https://reddit.com/r/lolphp The number of bugs that are closed as not-a-bug/wontfix. I'm not sure how much of this has been fixed, but I've moved on to different languages and career choices and don't really want to look back that way.

> but biggest part of all, its PHP based, written to a very high standard through & through What?! Holy shit. Is that considered a positive thing these days?! I must be quite out of the damn loop.

apocalyptic0n3 8y ago

PHP applications are extremely easy to install and keep running, and Phabricator is probably the cream of the crop in terms of code quality. The devs have done an incredible job with it. So the answer is "it can be" considered a positive thing.

NightlyDev 8y ago

Well, there's nothing wrong with using PHP, and the performance is often better than with other comparable options. Personally I really enjoy PHP 7. If you're way out of the loop then all you need to know is that PHP 7 is quite awesome.

djsumdog 8y ago
You can write clean code in any language, and I've written some nice PHP, but the language itself has many fundamental design problems. For example, printf shouldn't have side-effects on a datetime object: https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=75232 https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=75232 I run some OSS stuff on PHP, but in containers to keep it all isolated. Although things have gotten better with PHP7, knowing what I know about the language makes me hesitant to use it on any new project for anything except the most trivial systems.
- NightlyDev 8y ago
  That should definetly be fixed, but it's not something people will ever experience unless they try to write broken code by using undocumented features/sideeffects. What exactly is it you know about the language that makes you hesitant to use it?
  - djsumdog 8y ago
    It's type system and automatic casting/comparing is a nightmare. Although there are namespaces now, the idea of everything being in the global scope was insane (and still even with namespaces, much is still in the global scope). mysql_real_escape_string There are no type-safe comparisons for greater or less then (You have ===, but no <== or >==). This article: https://eev.ee/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ https://eev.ee/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ This subreddit: https://reddit.com/r/lolphp https://reddit.com/r/lolphp The number of bugs that are closed as not-a-bug/wontfix. I'm not sure how much of this has been fixed, but I've moved on to different languages and career choices and don't really want to look back that way.