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I think that the biggest loser is going to be IBM clearcase. Especially in government/defense work the developers want to use git, but can’t get it because of l

I think that the biggest loser is going to be IBM clearcase. Especially in government/defense work the developers want to use git, but can’t get it because of lack of security reviews. I can guarantee you that Microsoft sales people are already calling every software group manager at all the defense contractors.

arashdelijani 8y ago
Can you elaborate on this? Why does using git preclude security reviews?
- gmueckl 8y ago
  Clearcase is a much more advanced tool than git. It is designed to do radically different things from the mere patch relationship management that git performs in its ultra glorified ways.
  - rattray 8y ago
    What are the best capabilities of ClearCase?
    - gmueckl 8y ago
      The most interesting to me specifically is the ability to define working copies through filter scripts. As far as I understand it, this is an alternative to branching. You can mix and match different components/alternative modules (e.g. different HALs or device drivers for different HW platforms) into sets of products without running afoul of the typical limitations of branches. However, Clearcase is just too expensive for us to even try it out seriously.
- mips_avatar 8y ago
  Any software precludes security reviews in defense work. My group wanted mediawiki to run an internal wiki behind the firewall and it took 18 months to pass and my boss had about a dozen meetings and countless emails. There are cases where a developer had to write code in word because he couldn’t get a text editor (allegedly I didn’t actually witness it). When your network is constantly under state sponsored attack these precautions aren’t pointless. But it takes a company like Microsoft or IBM to be able to work with security reviews and get them through quickly.
naikrovek 8y ago
Well, clearcase is a horrible monster and it would benefit just about everyone on Earth if it dies. How many drivers on the road would be less likely to cut someone off or road rage if they didn't have to deal with ClearCase again? I'm sure that number is greater than zero. I'm only being partially facetious. ClearCase truly is the worst.
- mips_avatar 8y ago
  I was only an intern when I worked on clearcase so I don’t have a lot of personal experience. But the level of hatred my colleagues showed towards it left an impression.

arashdelijani 8y ago

Can you elaborate on this? Why does using git preclude security reviews?

gmueckl 8y ago
Clearcase is a much more advanced tool than git. It is designed to do radically different things from the mere patch relationship management that git performs in its ultra glorified ways.
- rattray 8y ago
  What are the best capabilities of ClearCase?
  - gmueckl 8y ago
    The most interesting to me specifically is the ability to define working copies through filter scripts. As far as I understand it, this is an alternative to branching. You can mix and match different components/alternative modules (e.g. different HALs or device drivers for different HW platforms) into sets of products without running afoul of the typical limitations of branches. However, Clearcase is just too expensive for us to even try it out seriously.
mips_avatar 8y ago
Any software precludes security reviews in defense work. My group wanted mediawiki to run an internal wiki behind the firewall and it took 18 months to pass and my boss had about a dozen meetings and countless emails. There are cases where a developer had to write code in word because he couldn’t get a text editor (allegedly I didn’t actually witness it). When your network is constantly under state sponsored attack these precautions aren’t pointless. But it takes a company like Microsoft or IBM to be able to work with security reviews and get them through quickly.

naikrovek 8y ago

Well, clearcase is a horrible monster and it would benefit just about everyone on Earth if it dies. How many drivers on the road would be less likely to cut someone off or road rage if they didn't have to deal with ClearCase again? I'm sure that number is greater than zero. I'm only being partially facetious. ClearCase truly is the worst.

mips_avatar 8y ago
I was only an intern when I worked on clearcase so I don’t have a lot of personal experience. But the level of hatred my colleagues showed towards it left an impression.