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Speaking of fickle developers, I'm already planning my exit. Any mention of Microsoft is enough to turn me off, I have seen enough - I have had enough.

parvenu74 8y ago
And... what has Microsoft done to you lately? Gates is playing international philanthropist; Ballmer is playing NBA owner. The new regime not only likes open source and contribute massively to open source projects, they joined the Linux Foundation at the _Platinum_ level... there are a lot of "good open source companies" with deep pockets who haven't done that. Like Google. https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press-release/microsoft-fortifies-commitment-to-open-source-becomes-linux-foundation-platinum-member/ https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press-release/microsoft-fort... https://www.linuxfoundation.org/membership/members/ https://www.linuxfoundation.org/membership/members/
- zeth___ 8y ago
  >And... what has Microsoft done to you lately? Skype.
  - rainbowmverse 8y ago
    That acquisition was almost 7 years ago under the old leadership.
    - zeth___ 8y ago
      So skype isn't shit any more?
      - rainbowmverse 8y ago
        You didn't say anything about that. I've never used it, so I don't know anything about its quality.
        saagarjha 8y ago
        Which has recently gone even more steeply downhill now that they've tried to push React/Electron everywhere.
  - tajen 8y ago
    Nokia too, although it didn’t affect people directly, as opposed to the series of ultrabad decisions on Skype. Acquisitions aren’t always successful with Microsoft.
  - krick 8y ago
    Funny enough, I don't feel that way about Skype anymore. Yeah, Microsoft destroyed it, but, on the other hand, why did I even use it? Right, because there was nothing else back then, and Skype was "good enough". And everyone else was using it. Even though, honestly, it always was some buggy proprietary piece of shit, dragging all that legacy of the Delphi era into 201x. If anything, it may be even good it's not so dominant anymore, even though we still don't have anything decent to completely replace it.
- mixmastamyk 8y ago
  In bed with the NSA, telemetry, forced W10 migration, just off the top of my head. That said, I do appreciate their recent strategy decisions. Lets hope at some point the two hemispheres of MS converge.
  - parvenu74 8y ago
    > Forced Windows 10 migration Incorrect. Nagged, yes, but my Windows 7 machine that runs my Primera 4102 DVD duplicator still runs Windows 7 and will for as long as I own it. And it wasn't that hard to find the "don't nag me about upgrading ever again" option on Windows 7.
    - mixmastamyk 8y ago
      You may have missed a few news items and non-apologies over the last few years.
    - throwaway2048 8y ago
      There was a peroid where interacting with (closing) the windows 10 upgrade popup caused an unexpected upgrade to windows 10, stop rewriting history.
      - parvenu74 8y ago
        How is "I was able to tell my machine to stop nagging me and not upgrade to Windows 10" rewriting history? I'll take the kudos that I have way-above-average skills with Windows if you want to bestow that on me, but I know of no cases not-involving confused users hitting something they should not have where a machine was upgraded without any user interaction at all. By all means: send me links to such stories if you have them and I will concede the point to you.
  - singularity2001 8y ago
    Microsoft being (possibly) the biggest 'partner' of the NSA is one of the worst aspects of this acquisition and underrepresented in these discussions here.
- EchelonFuxMe2 8y ago
  Check the recent history of computing. They willingly botched many good standardization efforts and devalued many by throwing their industry weight around - all in the name of self-interest. And oh, their software sucks. Sometimes it's kinda bizarre even how much their software sucks, bad engineering abound. Have you tried updating Windows 7 recently? They took over the world of computers and made people believe that computers suck and are boring, which they do when they run Windows. They brainwashed so many corporations and governments to use their stupid solutions for every problem and plague tech people with incredible headache in the process. It's even worse in the "developing" world, where every single comapny is like: "Oracle! Microsoft! Oracle! Microsoft!". You will never know till you experience it.
- taf2 8y ago
  I guess it'll just take a lot longer for this generation to see MS as anything but embrace, extend, extinguish.
  - andrew_ 8y ago
    This. Very much this.
- pera 8y ago
  https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/microsoft-requiring-secure-boot-for-arm-devices-hamstringing-linux/ https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/microsoft-requiring-... https://tech.slashdot.org/story/18/06/03/0626246/microsoft-sticks-with-controversial-gvfs-name-despite-backlash https://tech.slashdot.org/story/18/06/03/0626246/microsoft-s...
- jakebasile 8y ago
  I am forced to use Windows for gaming, and let me tell you what Microsoft has done to me lately. - Forced updates are a travesty. I should be able to delay or ignore updates indefinitely as I own my computer. - I'm not allowed to not run an antivirus program, despite having no need of one. I can only temporarily pause Windows Defender's real-time checks before they'll helpfully turn it back on for me. This results in a loss of gaming performance. - Turning off their spying telemetry is essentially impossible and will helpfully turn itself back on. - They hold some good games hostage and refuse to release them on Windows (Halo Master Chief Collection) since they don't take gaming seriously on PC. - Every once in a while, they become dedicated to PC gaming again which simply means they will use their power to force something awful onto the community, like the Windows Xbox Game Bar, Games for Windows Live, etc. in their quest to make my gaming PC into an Xbox. - UWP is trash and greatly restricts what the user can do with their game, such as mods or fan patches to fix bugs developers ignore. - The Windows Store is horrible in and of itself and is full of even more low quality software. Instead of releasing their games on Steam, Origin, GOG, or even UPlay, they force them into this dumpster fire. - They install Candy Crush and other drivel by default on a fresh copy of Windows, and sometimes it magically reappears. Just because Microsoft has put on the "I'm changed!" act recently by releasing some FOSS and donating some money does not mean they have actually stopped being a negative influence.
  - overeater 8y ago
    Yes, thank you. People are quick to point out the Microsoft hasn't done anything detrimental to society, forget that their software is such a mess. We're too focused on judging companies based on whether employees get paternity leave, an offhand remark by a CEO, or recent scandals, that we're forgetting about the quality of software we're installing on our computers. When I saw a bunch of spammy games like March of Empires and Candy Crush installed with my Windows 10 Pro, I thought I got a bad copy -- instead it was truly just part of their operating system. They force their terrible antivirus (which keeps quarantining files I'm working on, when I'm working with low-level .exe patching) and forced updates and reboots. I wish there was a way to have Windows that's just an operating system.
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- severino 8y ago
  I don't use any product from Microsoft. I understand Microsoft is for-profit, but there's no way they can get a single dime from me, and I don't want to become a second-class citizen. That's why I would be leaving.
- jimduk 8y ago
  - LinkedIn - Skype - Lies around Windows 10 semi-forced upgrade - Nokia - The hell that is Office365 - Vermeer - Groove - Rare - Visio - Hotmail - FASA - Firefly I don't mind their strategy from a business perspective, but from a human perspective I mind they have crushed the goodness out of so many companies they have acquired. It's analogous to the chinese cultural revolution, or if some 3rd rate florentine artist got to buy out Botticelli et al. just as they got started. I know this is not only Microsoft (Cisco, Google et al.) but MS are not innocent and don't deserve to have their slate wiped clean (yet) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitions_by_Microsoft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitio...

parvenu74 8y ago

And... what has Microsoft done to you lately? Gates is playing international philanthropist; Ballmer is playing NBA owner. The new regime not only likes open source and contribute massively to open source projects, they joined the Linux Foundation at the _Platinum_ level... there are a lot of "good open source companies" with deep pockets who haven't done that. Like Google. https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press-release/microsoft-fortifies-commitment-to-open-source-becomes-linux-foundation-platinum-member/ https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press-release/microsoft-fort... https://www.linuxfoundation.org/membership/members/ https://www.linuxfoundation.org/membership/members/

zeth___ 8y ago
>And... what has Microsoft done to you lately? Skype.
- rainbowmverse 8y ago
  That acquisition was almost 7 years ago under the old leadership.
  - zeth___ 8y ago
    So skype isn't shit any more?
    - rainbowmverse 8y ago
      You didn't say anything about that. I've never used it, so I don't know anything about its quality.
      - saagarjha 8y ago
        Which has recently gone even more steeply downhill now that they've tried to push React/Electron everywhere.
- tajen 8y ago
  Nokia too, although it didn’t affect people directly, as opposed to the series of ultrabad decisions on Skype. Acquisitions aren’t always successful with Microsoft.
- krick 8y ago
  Funny enough, I don't feel that way about Skype anymore. Yeah, Microsoft destroyed it, but, on the other hand, why did I even use it? Right, because there was nothing else back then, and Skype was "good enough". And everyone else was using it. Even though, honestly, it always was some buggy proprietary piece of shit, dragging all that legacy of the Delphi era into 201x. If anything, it may be even good it's not so dominant anymore, even though we still don't have anything decent to completely replace it.
mixmastamyk 8y ago
In bed with the NSA, telemetry, forced W10 migration, just off the top of my head. That said, I do appreciate their recent strategy decisions. Lets hope at some point the two hemispheres of MS converge.
- parvenu74 8y ago
  > Forced Windows 10 migration Incorrect. Nagged, yes, but my Windows 7 machine that runs my Primera 4102 DVD duplicator still runs Windows 7 and will for as long as I own it. And it wasn't that hard to find the "don't nag me about upgrading ever again" option on Windows 7.
  - mixmastamyk 8y ago
    You may have missed a few news items and non-apologies over the last few years.
  - throwaway2048 8y ago
    There was a peroid where interacting with (closing) the windows 10 upgrade popup caused an unexpected upgrade to windows 10, stop rewriting history.
    - parvenu74 8y ago
      How is "I was able to tell my machine to stop nagging me and not upgrade to Windows 10" rewriting history? I'll take the kudos that I have way-above-average skills with Windows if you want to bestow that on me, but I know of no cases not-involving confused users hitting something they should not have where a machine was upgraded without any user interaction at all. By all means: send me links to such stories if you have them and I will concede the point to you.
- singularity2001 8y ago
  Microsoft being (possibly) the biggest 'partner' of the NSA is one of the worst aspects of this acquisition and underrepresented in these discussions here.
EchelonFuxMe2 8y ago
Check the recent history of computing. They willingly botched many good standardization efforts and devalued many by throwing their industry weight around - all in the name of self-interest. And oh, their software sucks. Sometimes it's kinda bizarre even how much their software sucks, bad engineering abound. Have you tried updating Windows 7 recently? They took over the world of computers and made people believe that computers suck and are boring, which they do when they run Windows. They brainwashed so many corporations and governments to use their stupid solutions for every problem and plague tech people with incredible headache in the process. It's even worse in the "developing" world, where every single comapny is like: "Oracle! Microsoft! Oracle! Microsoft!". You will never know till you experience it.
taf2 8y ago
I guess it'll just take a lot longer for this generation to see MS as anything but embrace, extend, extinguish.
- andrew_ 8y ago
  This. Very much this.
pera 8y ago
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/microsoft-requiring-secure-boot-for-arm-devices-hamstringing-linux/ https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/microsoft-requiring-... https://tech.slashdot.org/story/18/06/03/0626246/microsoft-sticks-with-controversial-gvfs-name-despite-backlash https://tech.slashdot.org/story/18/06/03/0626246/microsoft-s...
jakebasile 8y ago
I am forced to use Windows for gaming, and let me tell you what Microsoft has done to me lately. - Forced updates are a travesty. I should be able to delay or ignore updates indefinitely as I own my computer. - I'm not allowed to not run an antivirus program, despite having no need of one. I can only temporarily pause Windows Defender's real-time checks before they'll helpfully turn it back on for me. This results in a loss of gaming performance. - Turning off their spying telemetry is essentially impossible and will helpfully turn itself back on. - They hold some good games hostage and refuse to release them on Windows (Halo Master Chief Collection) since they don't take gaming seriously on PC. - Every once in a while, they become dedicated to PC gaming again which simply means they will use their power to force something awful onto the community, like the Windows Xbox Game Bar, Games for Windows Live, etc. in their quest to make my gaming PC into an Xbox. - UWP is trash and greatly restricts what the user can do with their game, such as mods or fan patches to fix bugs developers ignore. - The Windows Store is horrible in and of itself and is full of even more low quality software. Instead of releasing their games on Steam, Origin, GOG, or even UPlay, they force them into this dumpster fire. - They install Candy Crush and other drivel by default on a fresh copy of Windows, and sometimes it magically reappears. Just because Microsoft has put on the "I'm changed!" act recently by releasing some FOSS and donating some money does not mean they have actually stopped being a negative influence.
- overeater 8y ago
  Yes, thank you. People are quick to point out the Microsoft hasn't done anything detrimental to society, forget that their software is such a mess. We're too focused on judging companies based on whether employees get paternity leave, an offhand remark by a CEO, or recent scandals, that we're forgetting about the quality of software we're installing on our computers. When I saw a bunch of spammy games like March of Empires and Candy Crush installed with my Windows 10 Pro, I thought I got a bad copy -- instead it was truly just part of their operating system. They force their terrible antivirus (which keeps quarantining files I'm working on, when I'm working with low-level .exe patching) and forced updates and reboots. I wish there was a way to have Windows that's just an operating system.
- deleted 8y ago
  [deleted]
severino 8y ago
I don't use any product from Microsoft. I understand Microsoft is for-profit, but there's no way they can get a single dime from me, and I don't want to become a second-class citizen. That's why I would be leaving.
jimduk 8y ago
- LinkedIn - Skype - Lies around Windows 10 semi-forced upgrade - Nokia - The hell that is Office365 - Vermeer - Groove - Rare - Visio - Hotmail - FASA - Firefly I don't mind their strategy from a business perspective, but from a human perspective I mind they have crushed the goodness out of so many companies they have acquired. It's analogous to the chinese cultural revolution, or if some 3rd rate florentine artist got to buy out Botticelli et al. just as they got started. I know this is not only Microsoft (Cisco, Google et al.) but MS are not innocent and don't deserve to have their slate wiped clean (yet) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitions_by_Microsoft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitio...