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This is a completely smart purchase on Microsoft's part. I can't imagine more synergy between two companies: - Microsoft has always been the largest developer
by 013a 8y ago
This is a completely smart purchase on Microsoft's part. I can't imagine more synergy between two companies:
- Microsoft has always been the largest developer advocate of any of the major tech players (Google has been a great contender for this position since 2010).
- Microsoft has moved most of their open source projects to Github.
- Microsoft is a major contributor to Git, including massive infrastructure projects to make it possible to host the NT kernel on Git.
- Microsoft has tried to do open source git hosting in the past (Codeplex?) but it never succeeded. Also: Microsoft partnered with Github when they shut down to migrate Codeplex projects to Github.
- Github has the Atom team, which would have some great synergies to combine with the VSCode team.
- Github are the champions behind the electron project, with a lot of institutional knowledge about that technology + native web apps/PWAs in general. Microsoft is making a huge push toward writing UWP apps as PWAs.
Time will tell how they handle this merger. They've handled a few pretty well (Linkedin, Mojang come to mind) and others horribly (Skype, Yammer, Nokia).
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- saagarjha 8y ago> Microsoft has always been the largest developer advocate of any of the major tech players That just means that none of the major tech players have been doing a whole lot in this regard.
- falsedan 8y agoI miss the comprehensive programming docs from MSDN.
- QML 8y agoHow has the LinkedIn acquisition benefited LinkedIn users or Microsoft users?
- sb8244 8y agoIt has allowed LinkedIn to remain free for one customer base (professional networks) while expanding sales and recruiting tools (navigator) without compromising user information (InMail rather than your private email unless you've opted as such).
- alirobe 8y agoWell, there haven't been any more password leaks...
- mips_avatar 8y agoI think that the biggest loser is going to be IBM clearcase. Especially in government/defense work the developers want to use git, but can’t get it because of lack of security reviews. I can guarantee you that Microsoft sales people are already calling every software group manager at all the defense contractors.
- arashdelijani 8y agoCan you elaborate on this? Why does using git preclude security reviews?
- gmueckl 8y agoClearcase is a much more advanced tool than git. It is designed to do radically different things from the mere patch relationship management that git performs in its ultra glorified ways.
- rattray 8y agoWhat are the best capabilities of ClearCase?
- gmueckl 8y agoThe most interesting to me specifically is the ability to define working copies through filter scripts. As far as I understand it, this is an alternative to branching. You can mix and match different components/alternative modules (e.g. different HALs or device drivers for different HW platforms) into sets of products without running afoul of the typical limitations of branches. However, Clearcase is just too expensive for us to even try it out seriously.
- mips_avatar 8y agoAny software precludes security reviews in defense work. My group wanted mediawiki to run an internal wiki behind the firewall and it took 18 months to pass and my boss had about a dozen meetings and countless emails. There are cases where a developer had to write code in word because he couldn’t get a text editor (allegedly I didn’t actually witness it). When your network is constantly under state sponsored attack these precautions aren’t pointless. But it takes a company like Microsoft or IBM to be able to work with security reviews and get them through quickly.
- jrs95 8y agoI had forgotten about the Atom and VS Code angle of this. I wonder if MS will deprecate Atom in favor of VS Code now...
- 7ewis 8y agoForgot about that too. Atom is open source though isn't it? So I'm sure it won't ever disappear. I wouldn't want to move to VS Code though. I use a Mac and have heard good things about it, but I'm sure it will always be a second class citizen.
- jrs95 8y agoVS Code is actually nearly identical on all platforms just like Atom. I find Atom generally has more available plugins, but VS Code can’t be beat for TypeScript imo.
- mjrbrennan 8y agoVS Code is ridiculously good, far better than Atom in all areas. I moved from Atom to VS Code on the Mac ~1.5 years ago and have never looked back.
- tomxor 8y agoThey can't "depreciate" an OSS project just because it's hosted on a platform they own. Atom will live on one way or another, and it was never exactly tied at the hip with GitHub anyway.
- jrs95 8y agoWell, they can stop paying people to work on it and divorce GitHub from it entirely. I’m sure it would still available and worked on though.
- guitarbill 8y agoThis "synergy" seems to be pretty one-sided. Which of these synergies is useful for existing GitHub users? That's kind of the problem with this acquisition, which is why few Github users are excited for it. It also doesn't feel like Microsoft understands developers or even end users consistently. VSCode is a nice editor, but not the only one. The MSDN docs and site is awful. Azure is okay, but Windows 10 is somehow more annoying than macOS. Meanwhile Github is in a tricky position, because for most people there's nothing but "community" keeping them on it. Github has some decent features, but nothing so great it would stop me from using their competitors. And they don't even have a CEO to provide the vision. The only thing in their favour is inertia.
- bhouston 8y agoGitHub subscriptions included in msdn?
- josh64 8y agoI was thinking part of Office 365 - collaborative dev tools are the missing piece for most businesses. There wouldn't be a major need for Jira, GitLab, etc for the most part.
- wodenokoto 8y agoI don't know why this is downvoted. I've worked at two major companies which both used MS Office/Skype for everything and a selfhosted gitlab for code repo. If the MS package provided git, I'm sure we would be using that instead.
- gmueckl 8y agoProbably only avaolable though MSDN , I would guess. When MSDN is extemded to cover Linux as well (not so far fetched with the Linux support in Windows and Visual Studio) this move would also make sense in a weird Microsoft kind of way.
- manigandham 8y agoYou answered it yourself. Github gets money to stay alive, and resources and leadership to actually start building again.
- gandutraveler 8y agoI also see GitHub profile playing well with LinkedIn profile. I've been asked to share my GitHub profile several times during interviews.
- _betty_ 8y agoInterestingly enough they're actively working on public vsts repositories, I thought that was devdiv trying to migrate their code back to MS land. Wonder if that's what sparked the conversations.
- sdesol 8y ago> Interestingly enough they're actively working on public vsts repositories Is this public knowledge? They shutdown their public repos service a while back and I had a manager at Microsoft admit that getting public repo traction was insanely hard. GitHub literally has a strangle hold on the public repos space.
- ebbv 8y agoWhat? Microsoft is the biggest developer advocate? Apple gives X Code away for free and made Swift an open source, platform agnostic product among many other things.
- curiousgal 8y agoAnd it also charges you 100$ a year plus half of what you earn on their app store.
- ovao 8y ago*30% Microsoft's revenue split for the Windows Store is an identical 30%[0] (in most cases). There is, of course, the benefit of not having to pay any annual registration fees on Microsoft's platform. [0]: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/windows/agreements/app-developer-agreement https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/windows/agreements/ap...
- 013a 8y agoNegative. They just announced that developers will receive 95% of revenue for non-games when customers purchase via a deep link, or 85% when its purchased through a discovery mechanism Microsoft provides [1]. Going into affect later this year. [1] https://blogs.windows.com/buildingapps/2018/05/07/a-new-microsoft-store-revenue-share-is-coming/ https://blogs.windows.com/buildingapps/2018/05/07/a-new-micr...
- ovao 8y agoThat's good to know. This only applies to what Microsoft calls "consumer non-gaming apps", however. Games and presumably what Microsoft considers professional apps are still subject to the existing fee structure. For the time being, my comment stands.
- ebbv 8y agoThat’s only for access to their store. Microsoft is much the same when it comes to the Windows store. If you want to write apps for macOS and distribute them yourself you can do so with no cost.
- x3haloed 8y agoThat’s an interesting point about Atom and VS Code. Do you think we’ll likely see Atom die in favor of VS Code?
- djsumdog 8y agoI'm starting to get really frustrated with Atom and it pegging my CPUs at 100%. I honestly don't see VSCode as that much better considering they're both bloated electron apps. I've started going back to Sublime, and found I missed some of the really helpful tools in Atom. I think the entire atom/vscode thing is going to be really curious should this acquisition go through. I'm going to guess they're going to keep running both teams; or really they'll probably keep running Github as it is.
- eric-hu 8y agoI switched to VSCode from MacVim. Up until I saw VSCode, I thought all electron apps were as bad as slack. I'm happy to report I've not experienced sluggishness from VSCode at all.
- 013a 8y agoI would put money on it if the merger goes through. There's very little reason for both to exist, and VSCode is absolutely a superior project. Atom has its advantages, but most of them could easily be manifested by collaborating with the Atom team and bringing those features in.
- Lordarminius 8y agoAtom is already dying imo. And if for a reason even a 5 year old can appreciate : it's simply too slow.
- akerro 8y ago>- Github has the Atom team, which would have some great synergies to combine with the VSCode team. Yes, I'm sure one company will support both editors in the long term.
- akerro 8y ago> They've handled a few pretty well (Linkedin, what? linkedin became garbage, it's worse facebook with more ads and stupid emails not related to anything I do.