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The EU is just a disaster in general. Unless you believe corporatist technocracy is the future of civilisation. This proposal is just another example of that

The EU is just a disaster in general. Unless you believe corporatist technocracy is the future of civilisation. This proposal is just another example of that process.

gcb0 8y ago
you have your vague political terms backwards. the US is the poster child for corporatist technocracy.
- neilwilson 8y ago
  There seems to be a competition between them for who can hand out the biggest cultural monopolies.
AsyncAwait 8y ago
The GDPR is pretty good, this is terrible, like any org/government they have both good and bad policies. Sadly, i.e. Brexiteers generally want to eliminate the good ones, (food standards), and keep the bad ones, (copyright), so am not sure what the solution to eliminating is here, but it doesn't seem to be specific to the EU.
- neilwilson 8y ago
  You know that ascribing views to a group without evidence is prejudice.
  - AsyncAwait 8y ago
    You can ascribe certain views to a group certainly, if that's what you read, observed etc. about them and it is not discriminatory. For example, I can say "religious people generally believe in a God". This is problematic when you start making judgments about people based on outright false claims or based on attributes that they have no control over. I said "generally" on purpose. There are exceptions of course, but from speaking to a lot of them, watching interviews etc. that's the impression I got for their general sentiment. I of course am not presenting this as a fact, just as what I observed.
    - neilwilson 8y ago
      If you get an impression from lots of rap videos that people of colour behave like gangsters can you then legitimately describe them all as such 'generally'? Or is it incumbent upon you to realise that you have selected a small and unrepresentative sample and look for balance. It's not difficult to find and talk to Paul Embery, Kate Hoey, Brendan Chilton, Thomas Fazi, Bill Mitchell, etc. Or for that matter me.
      - AsyncAwait 8y ago
        Of course not, however people of color is not a voluntarily made up group that represents an idea, since race is an attribute. You can criticize ideas a voluntary group stands for. I said this in my previous comment. If you cannot make observations about a voluntary group of people and their ideas, there's no point of them being associated with that group. Them being in that group is supposed to signify something. Opinions may differ as to what exactly it is supposed to be, I just offered my observation on that, that's all.
evv 8y ago
> Unless you believe corporatist technocracy is the future of civilisation. I'm curious how you plan to stop this from happening. To me that seems like an inevitable future, and a decent description of our present society. Is it so bad?
- neilwilson 8y ago
  That rather depends who you are. If you are in the 'gig' economy, or young and unemployed across Southern Europe for example. The roll back of democracy from universal suffrage capable of changing anything to akin to a toddler group able to choose the colour of their sugar free fruit juice is deeply worrying. But more worrying is the acceptance of it.
  - andybak 8y ago
    Is it possible you have a slightly rosy view of how democracy worked in the past? As much as I don't believe in the inevitable march of progress I'm also fairly skeptical that we're heading to hell in a handcart (excluding the potential environmental catastrophe which would be a genuinely novel experience). The past was pretty shitty. Many things are getting better. Some things are getting worse. Eternal vigilance etc...

The EU is just a disaster in general. Unless you believe corporatist technocracy is the future of civilisation. This proposal is just another example of that process.

gcb0 8y ago

you have your vague political terms backwards. the US is the poster child for corporatist technocracy.

neilwilson 8y ago
There seems to be a competition between them for who can hand out the biggest cultural monopolies.

AsyncAwait 8y ago

The GDPR is pretty good, this is terrible, like any org/government they have both good and bad policies. Sadly, i.e. Brexiteers generally want to eliminate the good ones, (food standards), and keep the bad ones, (copyright), so am not sure what the solution to eliminating is here, but it doesn't seem to be specific to the EU.

neilwilson 8y ago
You know that ascribing views to a group without evidence is prejudice.
- AsyncAwait 8y ago
  You can ascribe certain views to a group certainly, if that's what you read, observed etc. about them and it is not discriminatory. For example, I can say "religious people generally believe in a God". This is problematic when you start making judgments about people based on outright false claims or based on attributes that they have no control over. I said "generally" on purpose. There are exceptions of course, but from speaking to a lot of them, watching interviews etc. that's the impression I got for their general sentiment. I of course am not presenting this as a fact, just as what I observed.
  - neilwilson 8y ago
    If you get an impression from lots of rap videos that people of colour behave like gangsters can you then legitimately describe them all as such 'generally'? Or is it incumbent upon you to realise that you have selected a small and unrepresentative sample and look for balance. It's not difficult to find and talk to Paul Embery, Kate Hoey, Brendan Chilton, Thomas Fazi, Bill Mitchell, etc. Or for that matter me.
    - AsyncAwait 8y ago
      Of course not, however people of color is not a voluntarily made up group that represents an idea, since race is an attribute. You can criticize ideas a voluntary group stands for. I said this in my previous comment. If you cannot make observations about a voluntary group of people and their ideas, there's no point of them being associated with that group. Them being in that group is supposed to signify something. Opinions may differ as to what exactly it is supposed to be, I just offered my observation on that, that's all.

evv 8y ago

> Unless you believe corporatist technocracy is the future of civilisation. I'm curious how you plan to stop this from happening. To me that seems like an inevitable future, and a decent description of our present society. Is it so bad?

neilwilson 8y ago
That rather depends who you are. If you are in the 'gig' economy, or young and unemployed across Southern Europe for example. The roll back of democracy from universal suffrage capable of changing anything to akin to a toddler group able to choose the colour of their sugar free fruit juice is deeply worrying. But more worrying is the acceptance of it.
- andybak 8y ago
  Is it possible you have a slightly rosy view of how democracy worked in the past? As much as I don't believe in the inevitable march of progress I'm also fairly skeptical that we're heading to hell in a handcart (excluding the potential environmental catastrophe which would be a genuinely novel experience). The past was pretty shitty. Many things are getting better. Some things are getting worse. Eternal vigilance etc...