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> In October of 2016, he was let go from Apple after a nearly > twenty-year stint at the company. No warning, no early > signs. Apple just said his position di

> In October of 2016, he was let go from Apple after a nearly > twenty-year stint at the company. No warning, no early > signs. Apple just said his position didn't exist anymore. Corporations expect unwavering loyalty from employees to the point of sacrificing their personal lives, only to be cut off from the company, with perhaps a 'fat severance' check. To me that seems unfair. If the company has the right to abruptly cut off the worker, the worker should have the right to abruptly cut off his work at the end of the workday. Somehow, in the US, such workers demanding fairness from companies are ostracized.

pvg 8y ago
Perhaps, but you have no idea whether anything of the sort happened with this guy at his particular job. You're just taking this one sentence and using it to recite a generic indictment of US labour practices which isn't really related to anything in the article.
- kumarvvr 8y ago
  My point is that a 'fat severance cheque' does not right a fundamental wrong, erosion of worker rights.
  - pvg 8y ago
    I understand you want to talk about fundamental wrongs and the erosion of worker rights. It's just that there's nothing in the article that's really about that.
wolco 8y ago
The US needs some law standarding a minimum notice/vacation/sick day policy across the board.
simonh 8y ago
I’m sure he got his contracted notice. Suppose Sal had got another job offer, or just decided to move on, handed in his notice and left after his contracted notice period. Would you be just as appalled at the way he treated Apple?
- eropple 8y ago
  ...No? Why would I? Corporations exist to be leashed so society can derive benefit from them; people do not. To compare the two is to commit a category error.
  - db48x 8y ago
    So it would be ok to enslave a group of people, as long as you call that group a corporation first? A corporation is a group of people, and people can certainly be rude to a group that they are in just as much as a group can be rude to its members.
    - dozzie 8y ago
      > A corporation is a group of people No, it is not. Not any more than a person is a group of cells. Corporation is a completely different creature than a person, even though it's composed of many people (though note that only partially, as corporation is also composed of procedures and processes, and probably some other elements).
      - db48x 8y ago
        The procedures and processes don't come from the outside of the group; they're decided on by the members of the group. This is true for all groups, even book clubs and people standing around on the sidewalk outside of a restaurant waiting for their reservation.
mathattack 8y ago
Workers do have the right to abruptly cut off work, don't they?

pvg 8y ago

Perhaps, but you have no idea whether anything of the sort happened with this guy at his particular job. You're just taking this one sentence and using it to recite a generic indictment of US labour practices which isn't really related to anything in the article.

kumarvvr 8y ago
My point is that a 'fat severance cheque' does not right a fundamental wrong, erosion of worker rights.
- pvg 8y ago
  I understand you want to talk about fundamental wrongs and the erosion of worker rights. It's just that there's nothing in the article that's really about that.

wolco 8y ago

The US needs some law standarding a minimum notice/vacation/sick day policy across the board.

simonh 8y ago

I’m sure he got his contracted notice. Suppose Sal had got another job offer, or just decided to move on, handed in his notice and left after his contracted notice period. Would you be just as appalled at the way he treated Apple?

eropple 8y ago
...No? Why would I? Corporations exist to be leashed so society can derive benefit from them; people do not. To compare the two is to commit a category error.
- db48x 8y ago
  So it would be ok to enslave a group of people, as long as you call that group a corporation first? A corporation is a group of people, and people can certainly be rude to a group that they are in just as much as a group can be rude to its members.
  - dozzie 8y ago
    > A corporation is a group of people No, it is not. Not any more than a person is a group of cells. Corporation is a completely different creature than a person, even though it's composed of many people (though note that only partially, as corporation is also composed of procedures and processes, and probably some other elements).
    - db48x 8y ago
      The procedures and processes don't come from the outside of the group; they're decided on by the members of the group. This is true for all groups, even book clubs and people standing around on the sidewalk outside of a restaurant waiting for their reservation.

mathattack 8y ago

Workers do have the right to abruptly cut off work, don't they?