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> There are plenty of hours in the day to make noise without disturbing others and breaking laws. I really hate that attitude. Not everyone works, sleeps, awa

• wruza 8y ago
  If you want night parties, vote for it until it is allowed or get some isolated nightclubs. Status quo is that most people sleep at night (and mostly drunk if not) and that’s important. It is changeable, but not by simply ignoring laws and health orgs. Earplugs don’t save from lowfreq noise that goes through walls, floors and beds almost intact. Disclosure: I’m sleeping from 5 to 10 times a week, not having any fixed time as a ‘morning’. (edit: I often confuse disclaimer with disclosure)
  • louthy 8y ago
    > If you want night parties, vote for it until it is allowed So, minority opinion should always be ignored? > or get some isolated nightclubs. One of the major problems in London in the past 5 years has been the smoking ban. So these nightclubs which were previously sealed now have people outside smoking, which has caused additional conflict. It's not as simple as isolating a club or bar. > Status quo is that most people sleep at night (and mostly drunk if not) Wow. So people awake are night are drunks? Fantastic. They're not awake for any other reason? Like they did a night shift and want to eat late? Or they want to go shopping when they're not at work? Or ... /* lists all the reasons people do stuff during the day */ This notion that we should be awake and work during the day and sleep during the night is one that's been forced upon us. If you look into the sleeping pattern of the middle ages you'd realise it wasn't always like this, and we're not all like that [1] > Earplugs don’t save from lowfreq noise that goes through walls, floors and beds almost intact. I've used earplugs when in places which are noisy, I have found they're absolutely fine for this purpose. It's usually mid and high pitched sounds that are more jarring if you're trying to sleep (the human voice). Things like music which is repetitive is quite easy to tune out because of its repetitive nature. [1] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16964783 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16964783
    • wruza 8y ago
      >So, minority opinion should always be ignored? Every minority should be satisfied, but not in the way that heavily affects majority, imo. Health and stress is not a someone’s joke. >So people awake are night are drunks? No. But at night you have a much higher probability to meet one who is drunk (from majority) and one is enough to disturb many. That’s what I meant trying to remain concise, sorry for this overstatement. Unfortunately, any earplugs I tried didn’t stop lowfreq and I’m very sensitive to it (can’t sleep at all). Sleep patterns are a problem for me too, as I already mentioned. I didn’t downvote you (and it doesn’t mean anything since it’s probably emotional here), but at least you can see how much people are affected. Edit: grammar
• DoreenMichele 8y ago
  Basically, everyone would like the world to conveniently work well for their needs. On the one hand, you complain that you deserve the same right to quiet so your sleep isn't disturbed. On the other, you tell people "If you are a light sleeper, get ear plugs." You could get ear plugs. Though if that fixed everything, presumably you would not be here complaining. There is a chronic issue that being part of a group, for example by living in a city, has benefits, but it also comes with friction. Trying to find best practices for reducing the problems without destroying the fundamental value of group association is always a struggle. One best practice is you try to arrange things to align with group norms so as to inconvenience the fewest people and the reality is that most people sleep at night and work or go to school during the day. I will add that I tend to be a night owl.
  • louthy 8y ago
    > On the one hand, you complain that you deserve the same right to quiet so your sleep isn't disturbed. On the other, you tell people "If you are a light sleeper, get ear plugs." I never said I deserve quiet, I pointed out the discrepancy. It's the sleeper that desires the quiet, but different people sleep different hours of the day, especially in a city. I don't write off to my local council every time I'm awoken at 8am by a rubbish truck, even if I'd only gone to bed a few hours before. Why should people who are awake at so-called 'normal hours' be afforded any additional sympathy? And why should their desires override others? What makes them special? Are people who are awake through the night 'lesser people'? Or not as important in your world view? If I can sleep through the daywalker's noise, then daywalkers can sleep thru the nightwalker's noise. And if not, then they're probably living in the wrong part of the city. I find it endlessly perplexing that people will move to places known for the nightlife and then start complaining about it once there.
    • DoreenMichele 8y ago
      They aren't "special." They are the majority. I'm not arguing that night owls are lesser people. I'm just saying these sorts of conflicts are basically inescapable. They have existed as long as humans have and there is no magic wand solution. Everyone would like the entire world to work well for them as an individual. Therein lies the rub. We would all like to be able to make noise when we feel like it and to have undisturbed sleep at will where other people are expected to be quiet during that time. The reality is we have two possible choices here: 1. A small number of very powerful people can impose their will on everyone else like that while the majority live in misery. 2. We struggle to find best practices that work reasonably well for as many people as possible. The second scenario is what most modern cultures typically shoot for. Since night owls are in the minority, policies tend to favor day people. In theory, we could insist everyone be quiet all the time. In practice, this interferes with industry, commercial, recreation and generally having a life. So in reality we need to demarcate times when an acceptable amount of noise can happen so life can happen. There are no simple answers. It's a complicated problem.