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60k is about the minimum to live comfortably in the US. Corporations have taken advantage of people by not paying them even close to a fair wage. 60k should be

60k is about the minimum to live comfortably in the US. Corporations have taken advantage of people by not paying them even close to a fair wage. 60k should be about minimum wage in reality, and there's no reason why that can't be done except for greedy ceos and shareholders.

phamilton 8y ago
> there's no reason why that can't be done except for greedy ceos and shareholders. What a generalization. Nevermind the thousands of small businesses operating on razor thin margins. They wouldn't be negatively affected by $60k minimum wage in the least bit.
- walterbell 8y ago
  We could look more closely at the cost structure of those small businesses, especially the many financial intricacies which underly real estate costs.
- acou_nPlusOne_t 8y ago
  Yes, nobody contemplates what the amazon-plankton thinks of the situation. Because they do not influence the development and outcome of the current situation. And if they all get the same burden put upon them, the price adjusts and nothing ever happened.
rayiner 8y ago
> 60k should be about minimum wage in reality, and there's no reason why that can't be done except for greedy ceos and shareholders. $60k is way beyond the minimum in most of the US. It’s a good living even in major cities like Atlanta. Also, paying $60k to all 125 million full time workers would basically eat up all US wage income. The income range would have to be $60-70k.
- giggles_giggles 8y ago
  $60k is well beyond the minimum needed in rural areas. Hell, I went to college hoping to get a wage around $60k. I have a friend in the Indianapolis area who is supporting a wife and two children and owns a house and I would be shocked to discover that he is making more than that these days. It's always sort of funny to me how distorted the idea of a 'living wage' in flyover country is to those that live on the coasts in big cities. My sister's husband made $40k in the mountains of western NC (about 2 years ago) and was able to just barely support my sister and their three children. Now, that was a pretty untenable situation, so that's probably about as low as you can scrape (at least with a bunch of kids), but even they managed to buy a small house on that single (!) income. They were certainly on the poverty line at the time, but they were able to survive until he found something better.
  - paulcole 8y ago
    > Hell, I went to college hoping to get a wage around $60k In the sake of full disclosure, what year did you graduate college?
    - giggles_giggles 8y ago
      I got hilariously lucky and dropped out in 2013 with an awesome offer in hand, but I was aiming for a graduation in 2014. My hopes were calibrated by the salaries I was seeing my friends get (in the midwest) with mediocre grades similar to my own.
- knuththetruth 8y ago
  It depends on if that 60k also comes with good health insurance though. Medical debt is a huge cause of bankruptcy and financial distress in the US, even for those who ARE insured: https://www.fool.com/retirement/2017/05/01/this-is-the-no-1-reason-americans-file-for-bankrup.aspx https://www.fool.com/retirement/2017/05/01/this-is-the-no-1-... https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/upshot/lost-jobs-houses-savings-even-insured-often-face-crushing-medical-debt.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/upshot/lost-jobs-houses-s...
  - paulcole 8y ago
    You’ve been downvoted and I have no idea why. I make around that and without health insurance my chronic illness would be a disaster financially. Fortunately with decent insurance it’s just a disaster physically and emotionally.
EpicEng 8y ago
> 60k is about the minimum to live comfortably in the US My friend lives in Loves Park IL, near where I (we) grew up. You're delierious if you think it costs even 60k (120k since most families have two earners) to live there. Go experience the rest of the country some time.

phamilton 8y ago

> there's no reason why that can't be done except for greedy ceos and shareholders. What a generalization. Nevermind the thousands of small businesses operating on razor thin margins. They wouldn't be negatively affected by $60k minimum wage in the least bit.

walterbell 8y ago
We could look more closely at the cost structure of those small businesses, especially the many financial intricacies which underly real estate costs.
acou_nPlusOne_t 8y ago
Yes, nobody contemplates what the amazon-plankton thinks of the situation. Because they do not influence the development and outcome of the current situation. And if they all get the same burden put upon them, the price adjusts and nothing ever happened.

rayiner 8y ago

> 60k should be about minimum wage in reality, and there's no reason why that can't be done except for greedy ceos and shareholders. $60k is way beyond the minimum in most of the US. It’s a good living even in major cities like Atlanta. Also, paying $60k to all 125 million full time workers would basically eat up all US wage income. The income range would have to be $60-70k.

giggles_giggles 8y ago
$60k is well beyond the minimum needed in rural areas. Hell, I went to college hoping to get a wage around $60k. I have a friend in the Indianapolis area who is supporting a wife and two children and owns a house and I would be shocked to discover that he is making more than that these days. It's always sort of funny to me how distorted the idea of a 'living wage' in flyover country is to those that live on the coasts in big cities. My sister's husband made $40k in the mountains of western NC (about 2 years ago) and was able to just barely support my sister and their three children. Now, that was a pretty untenable situation, so that's probably about as low as you can scrape (at least with a bunch of kids), but even they managed to buy a small house on that single (!) income. They were certainly on the poverty line at the time, but they were able to survive until he found something better.
- paulcole 8y ago
  > Hell, I went to college hoping to get a wage around $60k In the sake of full disclosure, what year did you graduate college?
  - giggles_giggles 8y ago
    I got hilariously lucky and dropped out in 2013 with an awesome offer in hand, but I was aiming for a graduation in 2014. My hopes were calibrated by the salaries I was seeing my friends get (in the midwest) with mediocre grades similar to my own.
knuththetruth 8y ago
It depends on if that 60k also comes with good health insurance though. Medical debt is a huge cause of bankruptcy and financial distress in the US, even for those who ARE insured: https://www.fool.com/retirement/2017/05/01/this-is-the-no-1-reason-americans-file-for-bankrup.aspx https://www.fool.com/retirement/2017/05/01/this-is-the-no-1-... https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/upshot/lost-jobs-houses-savings-even-insured-often-face-crushing-medical-debt.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/upshot/lost-jobs-houses-s...
- paulcole 8y ago
  You’ve been downvoted and I have no idea why. I make around that and without health insurance my chronic illness would be a disaster financially. Fortunately with decent insurance it’s just a disaster physically and emotionally.

EpicEng 8y ago

> 60k is about the minimum to live comfortably in the US My friend lives in Loves Park IL, near where I (we) grew up. You're delierious if you think it costs even 60k (120k since most families have two earners) to live there. Go experience the rest of the country some time.