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"Wage theft is one of those victimless crimes" Wage theft is most definitely not victimless. There is a very, very clear victim in that instance. "and I tried

"Wage theft is one of those victimless crimes" Wage theft is most definitely not victimless. There is a very, very clear victim in that instance. "and I tried to keep that off anyone's radar because I wouldn't have had a job otherwise and I was being paid plenty." That's not true in the least. Any employer that is telling you that is flat out lying to you. "Workers take the best option they have; possibly making that option uneconomic is not a good idea." No. Just no. Why do you feel that employers are entitled to cheap labor?

roenxi 8y ago
Your victims will have very clear memories of their wages and conditions from what happened to them last month when they went to work. They are making a proactive choice to get out of bed, go to work, and do it again. They aren't being forced to work for their employer. > That's not true in the least. It is perfectly true, just not a very normal case. I'd put it to you that I was a bit more involved in the negotiating than you were. > No. Just no. Why do you feel that employers are entitled to cheap labor? I don't think that. The argument is that employers and employees are entitled to sort out wages between each other and are entitled on whatever they agree to. I don't think the government has a role tilting the power balance in favour of employees. I'm in favour of things work hours being explicit in any contract and being enforced. Being expected to work unpaid overtime is obscene; the contract hours should be longer an the wages lower so people know what is expected of them.
- s73v3r_ 8y ago
  "They are making a proactive choice to get out of bed, go to work, and do it again. They aren't being forced to work for their employer." Because the alternative is homelessness. "It is perfectly true, just not a very normal case. I'd put it to you that I was a bit more involved in the negotiating than you were." No, it's not true. Just because they told you that, and you fell for it, doesn't make it true. "Being expected to work unpaid overtime is obscene" And yet, here you are defending the practice of wage theft.
- detcader 8y ago
  > They aren't being forced to work for their employer. So true... Every weekend I go for interviews and get job offers, and I have 6 months of rent and bill money saved up in case of an act of God. The last time I lost my employment I just called up one of the employers and accepted the job. It's very weird that people act like they don't do this as well.
  - s73v3r_ 8y ago
    Because not everyone is able to do this. I'm glad that you are able to, but it's extremely weird that you're acting like everyone is able to do this, when reality very clearly disproves that idea.
    - detcader 8y ago
      Oh I was bein sarcastic

roenxi 8y ago

Your victims will have very clear memories of their wages and conditions from what happened to them last month when they went to work. They are making a proactive choice to get out of bed, go to work, and do it again. They aren't being forced to work for their employer. > That's not true in the least. It is perfectly true, just not a very normal case. I'd put it to you that I was a bit more involved in the negotiating than you were. > No. Just no. Why do you feel that employers are entitled to cheap labor? I don't think that. The argument is that employers and employees are entitled to sort out wages between each other and are entitled on whatever they agree to. I don't think the government has a role tilting the power balance in favour of employees. I'm in favour of things work hours being explicit in any contract and being enforced. Being expected to work unpaid overtime is obscene; the contract hours should be longer an the wages lower so people know what is expected of them.

s73v3r_ 8y ago
"They are making a proactive choice to get out of bed, go to work, and do it again. They aren't being forced to work for their employer." Because the alternative is homelessness. "It is perfectly true, just not a very normal case. I'd put it to you that I was a bit more involved in the negotiating than you were." No, it's not true. Just because they told you that, and you fell for it, doesn't make it true. "Being expected to work unpaid overtime is obscene" And yet, here you are defending the practice of wage theft.
detcader 8y ago
> They aren't being forced to work for their employer. So true... Every weekend I go for interviews and get job offers, and I have 6 months of rent and bill money saved up in case of an act of God. The last time I lost my employment I just called up one of the employers and accepted the job. It's very weird that people act like they don't do this as well.
- s73v3r_ 8y ago
  Because not everyone is able to do this. I'm glad that you are able to, but it's extremely weird that you're acting like everyone is able to do this, when reality very clearly disproves that idea.
  - detcader 8y ago
    Oh I was bein sarcastic