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Besides this being dystopian out of the western libertarian pov, i wonder what it actually does against crime? I imagine a crime free city would be an interesti

Besides this being dystopian out of the western libertarian pov, i wonder what it actually does against crime? I imagine a crime free city would be an interesting human phenomenon without equal. The side effects of there not being any undetected and unprosecuted crime would be fascinating.

jdavis703 8y ago
What is crime though? Do you want to live somewhere where spitting on a random sidewalk in front of the wrong camera means you're banned from flying for a year? Is the fear of criminal violence greater than the fear of state violence?
- kfrzcode 8y ago
  > an action or omission that constitutes an offense that may be prosecuted by the state and is punishable by law. He who holds the biggest stick writes the book of law
- msh 8y ago
  Depends on the country. Among my Danish countrymen I am pretty certain most is more afraid of criminal violence.
duxup 8y ago
It might be hard to study as I'm not sure how accurate crime stats are in China at all, let alone that region before the crackdown.
privong 8y ago
> The side effects of there not being any undetected and unprosecuted crime would be fascinating. The book "Liars and Outliers" addresses this question some, at least in broad hypothetical terms. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liars_and_Outliers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liars_and_Outliers
mtgx 8y ago
It won't be crime free. These types of authoritarian systems also tend to have deep corruption. In other words, there will be plenty of people "with the right connections" to evade the system.
temp_accounter 8y ago
The purpose is not to control 'crime', per se, the purpose is to repress the population. Uighers in China are effectively under permanent military occupation; it would be like asking whether the U.S. occupation of Baghdad 'actually did against crime': totally orthogonal to the actual purpose of these policies.
gpvos 8y ago
Depends how you define crime. A system like this creates lots of opportunities for abuse by the police.
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whatsstolat 8y ago
Sounds like there is plenty of crime in that city. False imprisonment, extrajudicial killings, harassment, blackmail.

jdavis703 8y ago

What is crime though? Do you want to live somewhere where spitting on a random sidewalk in front of the wrong camera means you're banned from flying for a year? Is the fear of criminal violence greater than the fear of state violence?

kfrzcode 8y ago
> an action or omission that constitutes an offense that may be prosecuted by the state and is punishable by law. He who holds the biggest stick writes the book of law
msh 8y ago
Depends on the country. Among my Danish countrymen I am pretty certain most is more afraid of criminal violence.

duxup 8y ago

It might be hard to study as I'm not sure how accurate crime stats are in China at all, let alone that region before the crackdown.

privong 8y ago

> The side effects of there not being any undetected and unprosecuted crime would be fascinating. The book "Liars and Outliers" addresses this question some, at least in broad hypothetical terms. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liars_and_Outliers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liars_and_Outliers

mtgx 8y ago

It won't be crime free. These types of authoritarian systems also tend to have deep corruption. In other words, there will be plenty of people "with the right connections" to evade the system.

temp_accounter 8y ago

The purpose is not to control 'crime', per se, the purpose is to repress the population. Uighers in China are effectively under permanent military occupation; it would be like asking whether the U.S. occupation of Baghdad 'actually did against crime': totally orthogonal to the actual purpose of these policies.

gpvos 8y ago

Depends how you define crime. A system like this creates lots of opportunities for abuse by the police.

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whatsstolat 8y ago

Sounds like there is plenty of crime in that city. False imprisonment, extrajudicial killings, harassment, blackmail.