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Well, there are literally millions of people who don't share your same experience, so rather than claim that everyone is wrong and open source development doesn

Well, there are literally millions of people who don't share your same experience, so rather than claim that everyone is wrong and open source development doesn't work, maybe you are doing something wrong. Just a suggestion, because it totally does work for many people. Maybe you just have to find the right group of people to work with. There are a few shitty projects, but you'll find bad apples in many areas of life.

KirinDave 8y ago
> so rather than claim that everyone is wrong I didn't. This is your inability to tolerate a different viewpoint. I didn't say you had a bad experience, just that I can't relate to the good ones. I qualified every statement with _I_, _my experience_, and _feel_ and you're still willing to stand up and argue with me about it. And that is, in fact, a toxic attitude. You're arguing that I'm neither allowed to have nor relate negative experiences. Stop doing that. Stop doing what you're doing right now. It serves no purpose other than to further embed this toxic attitude into a community you obviously love and want to represent positively.
- craftyguy 8y ago
  Stop interpretting everything as a personal attack. It makes it seem like you were the bad apple, by immediately conflating contradictory statements and experiences into personal attacks. I would not want to work with such a person, in an open source project or otherwise. I merely suggested that your bad experiences might have been because of the projects you worked with, so a general statement of "open source bad" might be a bit extreme because many others have had positive experiences. I'm sorry you had a shitty experience working on open source projects. That sucks for everyone. Not all open source projects have shitty leaders, but some do, and it's not always obvious which ones those are until you've invested some non-zero amount of time/effort into it.
  - KirinDave 8y ago
    > Not all open source projects have shitty leaders, but some do, and it's not always obvious which ones those are until you've invested some non-zero amount of time/effort into it. If this was your intent, then I apologize for misreading it. But being very clear: this is not how the original text of your post read.
ppseafield 8y ago
Now he's contributed his impression and every comment is browbeating him or criticising him. Sounds like he got very unlucky. Wouldn't it be worth it to discuss how that could be mitigated? Also, people always forget the rest of that phrase: A bad apple spoils the bunch. Pretty important nuance!

KirinDave 8y ago

> so rather than claim that everyone is wrong I didn't. This is your inability to tolerate a different viewpoint. I didn't say you had a bad experience, just that I can't relate to the good ones. I qualified every statement with _I_, _my experience_, and _feel_ and you're still willing to stand up and argue with me about it. And that is, in fact, a toxic attitude. You're arguing that I'm neither allowed to have nor relate negative experiences. Stop doing that. Stop doing what you're doing right now. It serves no purpose other than to further embed this toxic attitude into a community you obviously love and want to represent positively.

craftyguy 8y ago
Stop interpretting everything as a personal attack. It makes it seem like you were the bad apple, by immediately conflating contradictory statements and experiences into personal attacks. I would not want to work with such a person, in an open source project or otherwise. I merely suggested that your bad experiences might have been because of the projects you worked with, so a general statement of "open source bad" might be a bit extreme because many others have had positive experiences. I'm sorry you had a shitty experience working on open source projects. That sucks for everyone. Not all open source projects have shitty leaders, but some do, and it's not always obvious which ones those are until you've invested some non-zero amount of time/effort into it.
- KirinDave 8y ago
  > Not all open source projects have shitty leaders, but some do, and it's not always obvious which ones those are until you've invested some non-zero amount of time/effort into it. If this was your intent, then I apologize for misreading it. But being very clear: this is not how the original text of your post read.

ppseafield 8y ago

Now he's contributed his impression and every comment is browbeating him or criticising him. Sounds like he got very unlucky. Wouldn't it be worth it to discuss how that could be mitigated? Also, people always forget the rest of that phrase: A bad apple spoils the bunch. Pretty important nuance!