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That's a terrible suggestion. We need markup. We need standard markup. We need accesibility. We need semantic tags. We need interoperability. We need developer

by kaoD 8y ago

That's a terrible suggestion. We need markup. We need standard markup. We need accesibility. We need semantic tags. We need interoperability. We need developer tools. We don't need N+1 "standards". We don't need N*2 developer tools. We don't need N^2 teams working on subpar competing "platforms". We need HTML.

flohofwoe 8y ago
The HTML standard would be implemented in a module, which could even be bundled with browsers so it doesn't need to be downloaded on first use. Nothing would change for HTML usage except that it wouldn't be baked into the browser executable, and alternatives to HTML could be explored without bloating the browser even more. The devil is in the details of course, that's why I wrote "overly optimistic" :)
- madeofpalk 8y ago
  I mean, Canvas is there. You're more than welcome to draw your own UIs in it, as plenty have done/tried before. Flipboard had a render-react-to-canvas project they used for mobile (which was completely inaccessible to any sort of assistive technologies), but I believe they abandoned it.
  - flohofwoe 8y ago
    I kind of did and it works quite well. Fair point about accessibility though. Another problem is that there's no way to access system font data from WebGL. Also the way I'm currently doing rendering (continuous frame rendering even if the UI doesn't change) isn't mobile-friendly. But these are all solvable with a few more resources thrown at it (Dear ImGui is a single-developer-project, and the cross-platform rendering library (sokol-gfx) too. http://floooh.github.io/oryol-sticky-tests/imgui-highdpi-sapp.html http://floooh.github.io/oryol-sticky-tests/imgui-highdpi-sap... This is 460 KByte wasm, 260 KByte of this is embedded TTF font data.
    - dmitriid 8y ago
      Wow. Your library is simply amazing. Especially considering it's a single-developer project.
      - flohofwoe 8y ago
        Ah sorry I was unclear, Dear ImGui isn't my library. Credit goes to @ocornut: https://github.com/ocornut https://github.com/ocornut The sokol_gfx graphics wrapper is my stuff, but that's much smaller :)
        dmitriid 8y ago
        Still amazing :)
- gitgud 8y ago
  Interesting idea, so you're proposing different standards of HTML for different web apps? Seems like added complexity for simplified app development

by kaoD 8y ago

flohofwoe 8y ago

The HTML standard would be implemented in a module, which could even be bundled with browsers so it doesn't need to be downloaded on first use. Nothing would change for HTML usage except that it wouldn't be baked into the browser executable, and alternatives to HTML could be explored without bloating the browser even more. The devil is in the details of course, that's why I wrote "overly optimistic" :)

madeofpalk 8y ago
I mean, Canvas is there. You're more than welcome to draw your own UIs in it, as plenty have done/tried before. Flipboard had a render-react-to-canvas project they used for mobile (which was completely inaccessible to any sort of assistive technologies), but I believe they abandoned it.
- flohofwoe 8y ago
  I kind of did and it works quite well. Fair point about accessibility though. Another problem is that there's no way to access system font data from WebGL. Also the way I'm currently doing rendering (continuous frame rendering even if the UI doesn't change) isn't mobile-friendly. But these are all solvable with a few more resources thrown at it (Dear ImGui is a single-developer-project, and the cross-platform rendering library (sokol-gfx) too. http://floooh.github.io/oryol-sticky-tests/imgui-highdpi-sapp.html http://floooh.github.io/oryol-sticky-tests/imgui-highdpi-sap... This is 460 KByte wasm, 260 KByte of this is embedded TTF font data.
  - dmitriid 8y ago
    Wow. Your library is simply amazing. Especially considering it's a single-developer project.
    - flohofwoe 8y ago
      Ah sorry I was unclear, Dear ImGui isn't my library. Credit goes to @ocornut: https://github.com/ocornut https://github.com/ocornut The sokol_gfx graphics wrapper is my stuff, but that's much smaller :)
      - dmitriid 8y ago
        Still amazing :)
gitgud 8y ago
Interesting idea, so you're proposing different standards of HTML for different web apps? Seems like added complexity for simplified app development