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Another way to look at this: it takes about as much work to stop someone falling from 3m as it does to launch them 3m in the air. So if you can stop the guy fal

Another way to look at this: it takes about as much work to stop someone falling from 3m as it does to launch them 3m in the air. So if you can stop the guy falling, you could instead throw him into the air to the same height. It's not quite that simple (different muscle groups, etc) but a good approximation. Flinging 50kg to a height of 3m above the release point seems a little high. I'm a fit adult male, although neither an athlete nor a fireman, and I can manage about 15cm. So I think friction is doing a significant part of the work here, likely between the fireman's clothes and the wall or window sill. Still an impressive catch of course!

salty_biscuits 8y ago
Or carrying them up a flight of stairs on your back. I think peak power is more important than work here. The peak power to throw someone 3 metres into the air is ludicrous, but arresting a fall over a (slightly) longer time period, with bones and ligaments taking the peak power instead of muscles are what is going on.
- saagarjha 8y ago
  > with bones and ligaments taking the peak power instead of muscles That's kind of an odd way of phrasing it; I would have said something along the lines of them providing the upwards force through tension rather than bringing power into the discussion.
  - salty_biscuits 8y ago
    It's the time derivative of work, seemed natural to me. Also muscles use rate limited chemical reactions to move, so it is a reasonable assumption to model them as power limited (with different regimes for different metabolic mechanisms). So when talking about the limits of what a person can do with their muscles, power limits seem important.
zhte415 8y ago
Your comparison of throwing and catching makes me think of the Caber Toss. Where a 79kg wood trunk gets, well, tossed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caber_toss https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caber_toss The key to this, and to mentioned in the article, is accelerating/decelerating not the object, but the centre of gravity.
eternauta3k 8y ago
You can dissipate a lot more energy than you can produce with your muscles. For example, you can comfortably drop much more than you can jump.
amp108 8y ago
Likewise impressed, but the fireman's own body transmitted much of the force to the window frame. So it's less the equivalent of launching someone into the air, and more like hanging on to someone while you are launched into the air by harness.

salty_biscuits 8y ago

Or carrying them up a flight of stairs on your back. I think peak power is more important than work here. The peak power to throw someone 3 metres into the air is ludicrous, but arresting a fall over a (slightly) longer time period, with bones and ligaments taking the peak power instead of muscles are what is going on.

saagarjha 8y ago
> with bones and ligaments taking the peak power instead of muscles That's kind of an odd way of phrasing it; I would have said something along the lines of them providing the upwards force through tension rather than bringing power into the discussion.
- salty_biscuits 8y ago
  It's the time derivative of work, seemed natural to me. Also muscles use rate limited chemical reactions to move, so it is a reasonable assumption to model them as power limited (with different regimes for different metabolic mechanisms). So when talking about the limits of what a person can do with their muscles, power limits seem important.

zhte415 8y ago

Your comparison of throwing and catching makes me think of the Caber Toss. Where a 79kg wood trunk gets, well, tossed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caber_toss https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caber_toss The key to this, and to mentioned in the article, is accelerating/decelerating not the object, but the centre of gravity.

eternauta3k 8y ago

You can dissipate a lot more energy than you can produce with your muscles. For example, you can comfortably drop much more than you can jump.

amp108 8y ago

Likewise impressed, but the fireman's own body transmitted much of the force to the window frame. So it's less the equivalent of launching someone into the air, and more like hanging on to someone while you are launched into the air by harness.