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by comparison, you literally don't need to do anything to implement DMCA, except perhaps respond to emails. (I wonder why this is contestable? DMCA is an after

by comparison, you literally don't need to do anything to implement DMCA, except perhaps respond to emails. (I wonder why this is contestable? DMCA is an afterthought, GDPR requires a lot of actual work to implement even if you process minimal data like IPs)

garmaine 8y ago
And if you respond to those emails you’re not still in danger of a business-closing fine.
simion314 8y ago
Same for GDPR, you just respond to the users with "I don't collect anything on my website". Now if you collect and track you may want to inform the users and let them opt-out. GDPR is similar in a way with the Don't spam me laws, I assume you had to write code to respect this law and I did not see people complaining that they need to write code to respect that law. Or you can not do business with EU citizens.
- zerostar07 8y ago
  You haven't read it, i presume. The implementation requires a lot more than that.
  - simion314 8y ago
    No, because I am not a business owner so I am not interested in all the details, my interest is an internet user, I am fine with popups that allow me to opt out, I am also fine with websites that will block me(like the newspapers one) because I will find an alternative that does not track me. I understand that you may have some small websites and you put on them who knows how many trackers/analytics and now is time consuming to go to those websites and implement something, but we needed this law the same as we needed the don't spam me law, it will take effort to fix existing sites but is for the best.
    - DoreenMichele 8y ago
      I realize that I am sort of the pot calling the kettle black here because I also have not read it, but I am making meta commentary on observable and inferable unintended consequences disproportionately impacting smaller organizations while you are arguing the details of how to comply without really knowing anything about it. The kind of observations I am making are not actually dependent on me understanding the details of the law. The kind of rebuttals you are making that hand wave off the concerns of businesses and other organizations do hinge on knowing those details. Your rebuttals really have no basis.
      - simion314 8y ago
        The thing is I don't know how this law could be "nicer" for small sites but continue to be fair. I feel a bit bad for small creators that need to fix their sites but at the same time I dislike the people that are trying to find possible loopholes around the law, fixing all this loopholes and workarounds is the reason the laws have long texts. Do you have a website or something that is affected? I only have a simple site that I used some time ago as CV and for testing, I never had tracking scripts,analytics, referrals. I am also the opinion if you don't want to respect my privacy then tell me that and block my access.
  - lucideer 8y ago
    The implementation really doesn't require any more than that. The poster said "I don't collect anything on my website". Of course, if you do, like in this forum example, you will have to do something, but that doesn't apply to all the information/blog/brochure sites using unnecessary tracking, etc. They can simply not do so.
    - zaroth 8y ago
      Can’t square this comment with the long front page discussion just a couple days ago about whether ref’ing a Google font could violate GDPR. Since everything your site does basically is defined as “collecting” or “tracking” it’s absurd to claim you can just simply “not do so”.
      - detaro 8y ago
        The problem there is that you can't just say "no tracking", you have to be able to argue that there really is no tracking. If you put in content from a third party and have no legal promise by them that they don't track, you can't know if your users are tracked or not.
        janoc 8y ago
        Then just put that in your privacy policy and you are off the hook. If Google tracks something, whether it is via their fonts, by putting some cookie on your site or whatever, it is their problem (and they actually said so, in that Github post referring to the font issue). They are the ones collecting and processing the data, not you, so they will have to deal with the GDPR compliance.
        detaro 8y ago
        That's their interpretation, and they don't face consequences if it's wrong. Since I've gotten advice to the contrary from lawyers looking into GDPR, I won't trust it until there's clear feedback from regulators or courts about it. Fonts are easy enough to self-host.

garmaine 8y ago

And if you respond to those emails you’re not still in danger of a business-closing fine.

simion314 8y ago

Same for GDPR, you just respond to the users with "I don't collect anything on my website". Now if you collect and track you may want to inform the users and let them opt-out. GDPR is similar in a way with the Don't spam me laws, I assume you had to write code to respect this law and I did not see people complaining that they need to write code to respect that law. Or you can not do business with EU citizens.

zerostar07 8y ago
You haven't read it, i presume. The implementation requires a lot more than that.
- simion314 8y ago
  No, because I am not a business owner so I am not interested in all the details, my interest is an internet user, I am fine with popups that allow me to opt out, I am also fine with websites that will block me(like the newspapers one) because I will find an alternative that does not track me. I understand that you may have some small websites and you put on them who knows how many trackers/analytics and now is time consuming to go to those websites and implement something, but we needed this law the same as we needed the don't spam me law, it will take effort to fix existing sites but is for the best.
  - DoreenMichele 8y ago
    I realize that I am sort of the pot calling the kettle black here because I also have not read it, but I am making meta commentary on observable and inferable unintended consequences disproportionately impacting smaller organizations while you are arguing the details of how to comply without really knowing anything about it. The kind of observations I am making are not actually dependent on me understanding the details of the law. The kind of rebuttals you are making that hand wave off the concerns of businesses and other organizations do hinge on knowing those details. Your rebuttals really have no basis.
    - simion314 8y ago
      The thing is I don't know how this law could be "nicer" for small sites but continue to be fair. I feel a bit bad for small creators that need to fix their sites but at the same time I dislike the people that are trying to find possible loopholes around the law, fixing all this loopholes and workarounds is the reason the laws have long texts. Do you have a website or something that is affected? I only have a simple site that I used some time ago as CV and for testing, I never had tracking scripts,analytics, referrals. I am also the opinion if you don't want to respect my privacy then tell me that and block my access.
- lucideer 8y ago
  The implementation really doesn't require any more than that. The poster said "I don't collect anything on my website". Of course, if you do, like in this forum example, you will have to do something, but that doesn't apply to all the information/blog/brochure sites using unnecessary tracking, etc. They can simply not do so.
  - zaroth 8y ago
    Can’t square this comment with the long front page discussion just a couple days ago about whether ref’ing a Google font could violate GDPR. Since everything your site does basically is defined as “collecting” or “tracking” it’s absurd to claim you can just simply “not do so”.
    - detaro 8y ago
      The problem there is that you can't just say "no tracking", you have to be able to argue that there really is no tracking. If you put in content from a third party and have no legal promise by them that they don't track, you can't know if your users are tracked or not.
      - janoc 8y ago
        Then just put that in your privacy policy and you are off the hook. If Google tracks something, whether it is via their fonts, by putting some cookie on your site or whatever, it is their problem (and they actually said so, in that Github post referring to the font issue). They are the ones collecting and processing the data, not you, so they will have to deal with the GDPR compliance.
        detaro 8y ago
        That's their interpretation, and they don't face consequences if it's wrong. Since I've gotten advice to the contrary from lawyers looking into GDPR, I won't trust it until there's clear feedback from regulators or courts about it. Fonts are easy enough to self-host.