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> I'm quite happy my government takes measures to assure a certain level of personal safety, both physical and psychological. All except for terrorist attacks,

by ra1n85 8y ago

> I'm quite happy my government takes measures to assure a certain level of personal safety, both physical and psychological. All except for terrorist attacks, which are considered part and parcel of living in a big city[1] like London (but strangely not Tokyo which has 4-5m more citizens!). [1]https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/new-york-explosion-sadiq-khan-says-terror-attacks-are-part-and-parcel-of-life-in-a-big-city-a3347891.html https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/new-york-explosion-sad...

orf 8y ago
Shame on you for spreading that fake news. People on HN should know better and be held to a higher standard. > Part and parcel of living in a great global city is you’ve got to be prepared for these things, you’ve got to be vigilant, you’ve got to support the police doing an incredibly hard job. We must never accept terrorists being successful, we must never accept that terrorists can destroy our life or destroy the way we lead our lives. Seems sensible to me.
- ra1n85 8y ago
  >Shame on you for spreading that fake news. That's quite the argument! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I03IKr2TWDM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I03IKr2TWDM "It's part and parcel of living in a great global city..." >Seems sensible to me. You keep using that word...
- retox 8y ago
  >Part and parcel of living in a great global city is you’ve got to be prepared for these things, Living in a city, you must be prepared for terror. This is not how things should be.
  - orf 8y ago
    It's not how things should be, but it's what decades of incredibly poor middle Eastern foreign policy gets you. Being prepared for these things is not the same as saying these things are unavoidable certainties. There is quite a big distinction, along the lines of having a gun for self defense Vs having a gun to shoot someone. He is basically saying support the police in their counter terrorism work, and report anything suspicious if you see it. Pretty much what you hear over the airport tannoys every time you fly.
    - ra1n85 8y ago
      So much here. >but it's [terrorist attacks] what decades of incredibly poor middle Eastern foreign policy gets you. You believe terrorist attacks are deserved as a result of what your government has done in the past? >I'm quite happy my government takes measures to assure a certain level of personal safety, both physical and psychological. Which is it? Your government is taking measures to assure your protection, or is actively provoking foreigners to kill you on your own soil?
      - orf 8y ago
        > You believe terrorist attacks are deserved as a result of what your government has done in the past? Nobody deserves to get hit by a car, but if you're running across a highway then what do you expect. > Which is it? Your government is taking measures to assure your protection, or is actively provoking foreigners to kill you on your own soil? Why are those mutually exclusive? I would also tack on that it's mostly the USA's foreign policy that got us here (which our government decided to jump in bed with to be fair, but yours nonetheless). It's just you have a nice Atlantic ocean to buffer you from many of the concequences.
  - celticninja 8y ago
    Be prepared for unexpected events that end up as a mass casualty situation due to the high population density.
  - DanBC 8y ago
    > This is not how things should be. So you support the disarming of all US citizens, because living in fear of crime isn't how things should be?
gowld 8y ago
These things come and go throughout the world over time. The occasional terrorist attack seems better than starting a world war that invited retaliatory firebombing and nuclear bombing. USA is taking its turn at feeling the consequences of colonial imperialism.
- ra1n85 8y ago
  >The occasional terrorist attack seems better than starting a world war that invited retaliatory firebombing and nuclear bombing. Wasn't London bombed too? What's your point? Terrorist attacks are better than world wars?
wafflebear 8y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack
celticninja 8y ago
The UK has been dealing with terrorist attacks for a long time, London especially so. And it is foolish to suggest that the government takes no measures to prevent it. They take appropriate measures to prevent many attacks and to reduce the likelihood of others, but it is impossible to stop all of them.

by ra1n85 8y ago

orf 8y ago

Shame on you for spreading that fake news. People on HN should know better and be held to a higher standard. > Part and parcel of living in a great global city is you’ve got to be prepared for these things, you’ve got to be vigilant, you’ve got to support the police doing an incredibly hard job. We must never accept terrorists being successful, we must never accept that terrorists can destroy our life or destroy the way we lead our lives. Seems sensible to me.

ra1n85 8y ago
>Shame on you for spreading that fake news. That's quite the argument! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I03IKr2TWDM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I03IKr2TWDM "It's part and parcel of living in a great global city..." >Seems sensible to me. You keep using that word...
retox 8y ago
>Part and parcel of living in a great global city is you’ve got to be prepared for these things, Living in a city, you must be prepared for terror. This is not how things should be.
- orf 8y ago
  It's not how things should be, but it's what decades of incredibly poor middle Eastern foreign policy gets you. Being prepared for these things is not the same as saying these things are unavoidable certainties. There is quite a big distinction, along the lines of having a gun for self defense Vs having a gun to shoot someone. He is basically saying support the police in their counter terrorism work, and report anything suspicious if you see it. Pretty much what you hear over the airport tannoys every time you fly.
  - ra1n85 8y ago
    So much here. >but it's [terrorist attacks] what decades of incredibly poor middle Eastern foreign policy gets you. You believe terrorist attacks are deserved as a result of what your government has done in the past? >I'm quite happy my government takes measures to assure a certain level of personal safety, both physical and psychological. Which is it? Your government is taking measures to assure your protection, or is actively provoking foreigners to kill you on your own soil?
    - orf 8y ago
      > You believe terrorist attacks are deserved as a result of what your government has done in the past? Nobody deserves to get hit by a car, but if you're running across a highway then what do you expect. > Which is it? Your government is taking measures to assure your protection, or is actively provoking foreigners to kill you on your own soil? Why are those mutually exclusive? I would also tack on that it's mostly the USA's foreign policy that got us here (which our government decided to jump in bed with to be fair, but yours nonetheless). It's just you have a nice Atlantic ocean to buffer you from many of the concequences.
- celticninja 8y ago
  Be prepared for unexpected events that end up as a mass casualty situation due to the high population density.
- DanBC 8y ago
  > This is not how things should be. So you support the disarming of all US citizens, because living in fear of crime isn't how things should be?

gowld 8y ago

These things come and go throughout the world over time. The occasional terrorist attack seems better than starting a world war that invited retaliatory firebombing and nuclear bombing. USA is taking its turn at feeling the consequences of colonial imperialism.

ra1n85 8y ago
>The occasional terrorist attack seems better than starting a world war that invited retaliatory firebombing and nuclear bombing. Wasn't London bombed too? What's your point? Terrorist attacks are better than world wars?

wafflebear 8y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack

celticninja 8y ago

The UK has been dealing with terrorist attacks for a long time, London especially so. And it is foolish to suggest that the government takes no measures to prevent it. They take appropriate measures to prevent many attacks and to reduce the likelihood of others, but it is impossible to stop all of them.