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I understand, but 1.1.1.1 was used by people for internal use, for example as a default for portals on wifi routers. Because of that, now anyone that wants to

I understand, but 1.1.1.1 was used by people for internal use, for example as a default for portals on wifi routers. Because of that, now anyone that wants to use the 1.1.1.1 DNS server can not when they are on wifi routers that use that IP as the traffic does not go where it was intended. For example, my username is enzanki_ars. Let's say I set up enzanki.ars at home as a host for an in home only server. Now let's say that a new country registers .ars as a new TLD, for example Argentina as ARS is the ISO 4217 currency code for the Argentine peso. Now I am stepping over someone else's TLD, an someone could even register enzanki.ars before me and start using it. My personal policy is "just because you can doesn't mean you should." If I wanted to disrespect the process we have in place to prevent people from stepping over other people's domains, I would have set up enzanki.ars already. Until then, 192.168.0.0/16 is how I reference my hosts at home. Edit: See also: https://www.iana.org/assignments/special-use-domain-names/special-use-domain-names.xhtml https://www.iana.org/assignments/special-use-domain-names/sp... for an up to date list of special use domains. "home.arpa." was recently assigned as one, and I may start using that one at home.

walrus01 8y ago
The 1/8 IP block, unlike anything from RFC1918, was never supposed to be used by anybody internally. RFC1918 was published 22 years ago so people have had ample time to stop being foolish. With a totally internal DNS setup it doesn't matter even if ICANN does decide to create a ".ars" TLD someday. In such a theoretical setup, your clients are all querying your own internal DNS servers, and you are not publishing or pushing anything to the root nameservers. Your use of internal hostnames and rDNS for ".ars" internally does not conflict with or hurt anybody's use of their own domains in the real-world .ars out on the public Internet, and neither does their use of the domain affect your non-internet-connected management network. There is no "stepping over other domains".
- azernik 8y ago
  > In such a theoretical setup, your clients are all querying your own internal DNS servers, and you are not publishing or pushing anything to the root nameservers. And in the usages of 1.1.1.1, no one was publishing anything on BGP or pushing it out to global routing tables. However, they were building their own infrastructure (and, in the case of consumer routers, their customers' infrastructure) on the assumption that this portion of the namespace would never refer to an external resource they'd actually want to access. Similarly, if you use .ars, you're taking up that namespace from the perspective of your internal users. If at some point it turns out that there is some resource under that name that you want to access, you're going to have a hell of a time rebuilding your infrastructure to not use that name. tl;dr don't use random names in a globally-managed namespace. Even if you're the only person seeing those name -> resource mappings, you can end up with inconsistencies between your own usage and the globally-managed version.
  - walrus01 8y ago
    > Similarly, if you use .ars, you're taking up that namespace from the perspective of your internal users. If at some point it turns out that there is some resource under that name that you want to access, you're going to have a hell of a time rebuilding your infrastructure to not use that name. No, you're not, because an internal management network does not have a gateway out to the internet. The management VRF does not talk to the global routing table. There would be no way to access a public .ars website even if you did not take its namespace.
    - DougBTX 8y ago
      If it is never going to be exposed to the public internet, you might as well use .com, then at least when it does get connected to the public internet you’ll get feedback that it is broken pretty quickly.

walrus01 8y ago

The 1/8 IP block, unlike anything from RFC1918, was never supposed to be used by anybody internally. RFC1918 was published 22 years ago so people have had ample time to stop being foolish. With a totally internal DNS setup it doesn't matter even if ICANN does decide to create a ".ars" TLD someday. In such a theoretical setup, your clients are all querying your own internal DNS servers, and you are not publishing or pushing anything to the root nameservers. Your use of internal hostnames and rDNS for ".ars" internally does not conflict with or hurt anybody's use of their own domains in the real-world .ars out on the public Internet, and neither does their use of the domain affect your non-internet-connected management network. There is no "stepping over other domains".

azernik 8y ago
> In such a theoretical setup, your clients are all querying your own internal DNS servers, and you are not publishing or pushing anything to the root nameservers. And in the usages of 1.1.1.1, no one was publishing anything on BGP or pushing it out to global routing tables. However, they were building their own infrastructure (and, in the case of consumer routers, their customers' infrastructure) on the assumption that this portion of the namespace would never refer to an external resource they'd actually want to access. Similarly, if you use .ars, you're taking up that namespace from the perspective of your internal users. If at some point it turns out that there is some resource under that name that you want to access, you're going to have a hell of a time rebuilding your infrastructure to not use that name. tl;dr don't use random names in a globally-managed namespace. Even if you're the only person seeing those name -> resource mappings, you can end up with inconsistencies between your own usage and the globally-managed version.
- walrus01 8y ago
  > Similarly, if you use .ars, you're taking up that namespace from the perspective of your internal users. If at some point it turns out that there is some resource under that name that you want to access, you're going to have a hell of a time rebuilding your infrastructure to not use that name. No, you're not, because an internal management network does not have a gateway out to the internet. The management VRF does not talk to the global routing table. There would be no way to access a public .ars website even if you did not take its namespace.
  - DougBTX 8y ago
    If it is never going to be exposed to the public internet, you might as well use .com, then at least when it does get connected to the public internet you’ll get feedback that it is broken pretty quickly.