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This sends a more powerful message than if the corporation had just avoided the work in the first place. I am hopeful and inspired by the employees stand. Ligh

This sends a more powerful message than if the corporation had just avoided the work in the first place. I am hopeful and inspired by the employees stand. Lights are shining through the cracks in the conflict dominated narrative of these times, and we have never had greater means to analyse and resolve our troubles with each other and with our environment. Thankyou Googlers for showing up for resolution.

pascalxus 8y ago
In the end, who-ever ordered that work is still going to get what they want. They'll just hire it out to someone else, no?
- sjm-lbm 8y ago
  That's one of the strange problems here. It'll probabally get farmed out to a less technically proficient team which, ironically, could lead to an increase in the loss of innocent life.
  - anyfoo 8y ago
    That could be the outcome, yes, or the outcome could be entirely different. It could be that the projects gets farmed out to a less-than-competent contractor that is willing to work on it, with a result that is so spectacularly bad (along any given dimension, not just how many innocent lives are affected) that the project dies. That, too, is a complete guess and just one of many hypothetical outcomes. I don't think there is any sufficient ground to infer that "if Google does not do it, it will be worse".
- komali2 8y ago
  Sure, but that's the same as "if I didn't torture them, if I didn't slaughter them, someone else would have," which has failed to be enough defense to stop war criminals from being hanged. Regardless of what comes after, you're never wrong to do the right thing.
- kazinator 8y ago
  Not if there is absolute solidarity against that. And there cannot be absolute solidarity if any single individual or organization caves in. Therefore "someone else will, so I might as well" is logically incorrect; it defeats the possibility of solidarity before it has had a chance.
- chc 8y ago
  I think you're falling into the perfect market fallacy. Quality AI work is not a commodity. It's entirely possible they either won't be able to find any credible bids or they'll find a bid from a less competent party and the project will have to be scaled back because they can't accomplish all their goals well enough.
  - merlincorey 8y ago
    You think IBM, Microsoft, and Amazon are not credible bidders? They are the ones who bid against Google in the first place.
- strainer 8y ago
  Maybe another shop can do it all the same, the important matter is that such a prestigious workforce as makes up Google has rejected this kind of work. Money cant buy belief in armistice that quality of publicity.
PurpleRamen 8y ago
The other message is that google is unreliable as a business-partner because it's depending on the random emotional state of insignificant gears in their machine. Not saying that it was wrong in this case, but folllowing recent developments at googles internal struggles, companys will ask themself one day which topic will the google-crowd angers next, and what company will suffer from it. If this continues google will suffer from it.

pascalxus 8y ago

In the end, who-ever ordered that work is still going to get what they want. They'll just hire it out to someone else, no?

sjm-lbm 8y ago
That's one of the strange problems here. It'll probabally get farmed out to a less technically proficient team which, ironically, could lead to an increase in the loss of innocent life.
- anyfoo 8y ago
  That could be the outcome, yes, or the outcome could be entirely different. It could be that the projects gets farmed out to a less-than-competent contractor that is willing to work on it, with a result that is so spectacularly bad (along any given dimension, not just how many innocent lives are affected) that the project dies. That, too, is a complete guess and just one of many hypothetical outcomes. I don't think there is any sufficient ground to infer that "if Google does not do it, it will be worse".
komali2 8y ago
Sure, but that's the same as "if I didn't torture them, if I didn't slaughter them, someone else would have," which has failed to be enough defense to stop war criminals from being hanged. Regardless of what comes after, you're never wrong to do the right thing.
kazinator 8y ago
Not if there is absolute solidarity against that. And there cannot be absolute solidarity if any single individual or organization caves in. Therefore "someone else will, so I might as well" is logically incorrect; it defeats the possibility of solidarity before it has had a chance.
chc 8y ago
I think you're falling into the perfect market fallacy. Quality AI work is not a commodity. It's entirely possible they either won't be able to find any credible bids or they'll find a bid from a less competent party and the project will have to be scaled back because they can't accomplish all their goals well enough.
- merlincorey 8y ago
  You think IBM, Microsoft, and Amazon are not credible bidders? They are the ones who bid against Google in the first place.
strainer 8y ago
Maybe another shop can do it all the same, the important matter is that such a prestigious workforce as makes up Google has rejected this kind of work. Money cant buy belief in armistice that quality of publicity.

PurpleRamen 8y ago

The other message is that google is unreliable as a business-partner because it's depending on the random emotional state of insignificant gears in their machine. Not saying that it was wrong in this case, but folllowing recent developments at googles internal struggles, companys will ask themself one day which topic will the google-crowd angers next, and what company will suffer from it. If this continues google will suffer from it.