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If Google deprecates something = HN complains they deprecate everything If Google launches something = HN complains they deprecate everything I Google migrates,

by stvswn 8y ago

If Google deprecates something = HN complains they deprecate everything If Google launches something = HN complains they deprecate everything I Google migrates, renames, merges, spins off, sells = HN complains they deprecate everything Google Reader was 5 years ago... what other example is there of a successful or even well-liked product that was killed, and not simply renamed or migrated? Picasa albums made it to Google Photos, for example. Google Talk became Hangouts. Where exactly does this meme come from? What product are you mourning that you actually used? Buzz? Wave?

stvswn 8y ago
I see from a different branch of this thread that the other answer is "XMPP support for Hangouts," which seems like a pretty specific feature to carry all this water.
skywhopper 8y ago
Google Wave, yes. For as much as they pushed it and acted like they were confident, they bailed really fast. Google Talk, Google Code, Google Notebook, iGoogle. Various APIs for maps etc. Big pushes that never go anywhere like Google Books. Wasn't there Google shopping at some point? Or non-discontinued things that aren't really taken seriously: Google Plus, Allo, Google Scholar, any number of rebrands of their payment service. Lots of acquisition-shutdowns or just embarrassments like Nest. But more importantly, they just don't seem to actually have a strategy. Every few months we hear this is the future, and then that thing is never mentioned again. Or they announce a clone of some existing successful service and then don't seem to have any follow-through willpower. All these renames/migrations/rebrands usually come with breakage of the UI/API/functionality. It's irritating to actual users and feels sloppy to everyone who pays attention. However Google earned this reputation and however fair it is or isn't, it undoubtedly hurts new product launches. So the question is, how does Google throw off the reputation of being completely untrustworthy?
- gowld 8y ago
  Why didn't anyone pick up the open-source drop of Wave and built an awesome service out of it?
  - niftich 8y ago
    Some did, but they're not widely known. Kune: https://kune.ourproject.org/about/ https://kune.ourproject.org/about/ (ex-Novell) Vibe: https://www.microfocus.com/products/vibe/features/ https://www.microfocus.com/products/vibe/features/ SwellRT: http://swellrt.org/ http://swellrt.org/

by stvswn 8y ago

stvswn 8y ago

I see from a different branch of this thread that the other answer is "XMPP support for Hangouts," which seems like a pretty specific feature to carry all this water.

skywhopper 8y ago

Google Wave, yes. For as much as they pushed it and acted like they were confident, they bailed really fast. Google Talk, Google Code, Google Notebook, iGoogle. Various APIs for maps etc. Big pushes that never go anywhere like Google Books. Wasn't there Google shopping at some point? Or non-discontinued things that aren't really taken seriously: Google Plus, Allo, Google Scholar, any number of rebrands of their payment service. Lots of acquisition-shutdowns or just embarrassments like Nest. But more importantly, they just don't seem to actually have a strategy. Every few months we hear this is the future, and then that thing is never mentioned again. Or they announce a clone of some existing successful service and then don't seem to have any follow-through willpower. All these renames/migrations/rebrands usually come with breakage of the UI/API/functionality. It's irritating to actual users and feels sloppy to everyone who pays attention. However Google earned this reputation and however fair it is or isn't, it undoubtedly hurts new product launches. So the question is, how does Google throw off the reputation of being completely untrustworthy?

gowld 8y ago
Why didn't anyone pick up the open-source drop of Wave and built an awesome service out of it?
- niftich 8y ago
  Some did, but they're not widely known. Kune: https://kune.ourproject.org/about/ https://kune.ourproject.org/about/ (ex-Novell) Vibe: https://www.microfocus.com/products/vibe/features/ https://www.microfocus.com/products/vibe/features/ SwellRT: http://swellrt.org/ http://swellrt.org/