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Yeah, let's evaluate corporations for decisions made decades ago by people no longer at the company. At least spend 15 minutes reading about the progress MS has

Yeah, let's evaluate corporations for decisions made decades ago by people no longer at the company. At least spend 15 minutes reading about the progress MS has made in recent years before throwing around shade.

shmerl 8y ago
They can reverse those decisions. Yet they don't, because they benefit from it. So it's not a justification.
severino 8y ago
Well, you know, this wasn't just an "insane" guy at the top who now left the company and everything's cool. Companies have culture, and while we can agree today Microsoft's not the same Microsoft from 10 years ago, we shouldn't forget their history so soon.
- tomnipotent 8y ago
  > this wasn't just an "insane" guy at the top who now left the company and everything's cool Satya Nadella has completely re-organized MS inside-and-out since taking the helm in 2014. It is a VERY different company than it was even 5 years ago. In March [1], Microsoft even went so far as to officially disband the Windows department and merge it into something called "Experiences & Devices". [1] https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/29/17176220/microsoft-windows-reorg-business-terry-myerson-ai-cloud https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/29/17176220/microsoft-window...
  - shmerl 8y ago
    It's different, but not very different. They still have a lot of lock-in like Outlook (ActiveSync), DirectX, exFAT and so on and so forth. They show no sign of dropping lock-in, except in markets where they are way weaker than competition.
    - tomnipotent 8y ago
      How is DirectX a lock-in? Vulcan/OpenGL are available. Using Outlook/ActiveSync is no more a lock-in than depending on GSuite (or ANY business productivity suite), and I fail to remotely even understand how exFAT is a problem. Weak arguments.
      - shmerl 8y ago
        > How is DirectX a lock-in? It's MS only. It's more obvious in cases like Xbox, where MS don't support anything except DirectX. I.e. developers are forced to use it if they want to release for Xbox. exFAT is an issue since it's a patented filesystem that MS pushed as a standard for SD cards. You can't freely use it (unless you just ignore those patents on your own risk). ActiveSync doesn't have commonly available FOSS clients, so you can't use it on Linux easily. It's highly irritating (since it's widely entrenched in corporate environments). And etc. and etc.
cup-of-tea 8y ago
The progress they've made? Baking in more spyware into Windows and other products than ever before? Taking more control away from computer users than ever before? What planet are you people on?
- tomnipotent 8y ago
  > Baking in more spyware into Windows Lost your argument as soon as you said "spyware". It's like calling everyone you disagree with a "terrorist". > Taking more control away from computer users than ever before? Like what?
  - cup-of-tea 8y ago
    You can proliferate the doublespeak if you want but I'll call it what it is. Like rebooting computers whenever they feel like it. Reenabling previously disabled options etc. Your head is in the sand but you don't have to live this way.

shmerl 8y ago

They can reverse those decisions. Yet they don't, because they benefit from it. So it's not a justification.

severino 8y ago

Well, you know, this wasn't just an "insane" guy at the top who now left the company and everything's cool. Companies have culture, and while we can agree today Microsoft's not the same Microsoft from 10 years ago, we shouldn't forget their history so soon.

tomnipotent 8y ago
> this wasn't just an "insane" guy at the top who now left the company and everything's cool Satya Nadella has completely re-organized MS inside-and-out since taking the helm in 2014. It is a VERY different company than it was even 5 years ago. In March [1], Microsoft even went so far as to officially disband the Windows department and merge it into something called "Experiences & Devices". [1] https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/29/17176220/microsoft-windows-reorg-business-terry-myerson-ai-cloud https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/29/17176220/microsoft-window...
- shmerl 8y ago
  It's different, but not very different. They still have a lot of lock-in like Outlook (ActiveSync), DirectX, exFAT and so on and so forth. They show no sign of dropping lock-in, except in markets where they are way weaker than competition.
  - tomnipotent 8y ago
    How is DirectX a lock-in? Vulcan/OpenGL are available. Using Outlook/ActiveSync is no more a lock-in than depending on GSuite (or ANY business productivity suite), and I fail to remotely even understand how exFAT is a problem. Weak arguments.
    - shmerl 8y ago
      > How is DirectX a lock-in? It's MS only. It's more obvious in cases like Xbox, where MS don't support anything except DirectX. I.e. developers are forced to use it if they want to release for Xbox. exFAT is an issue since it's a patented filesystem that MS pushed as a standard for SD cards. You can't freely use it (unless you just ignore those patents on your own risk). ActiveSync doesn't have commonly available FOSS clients, so you can't use it on Linux easily. It's highly irritating (since it's widely entrenched in corporate environments). And etc. and etc.

cup-of-tea 8y ago

The progress they've made? Baking in more spyware into Windows and other products than ever before? Taking more control away from computer users than ever before? What planet are you people on?

tomnipotent 8y ago
> Baking in more spyware into Windows Lost your argument as soon as you said "spyware". It's like calling everyone you disagree with a "terrorist". > Taking more control away from computer users than ever before? Like what?
- cup-of-tea 8y ago
  You can proliferate the doublespeak if you want but I'll call it what it is. Like rebooting computers whenever they feel like it. Reenabling previously disabled options etc. Your head is in the sand but you don't have to live this way.