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For the comparisons of this acquisition to Skype, yes Microsoft bungled the Skype acquisition. But they have been killing it with Typescript and Visual Studio.

For the comparisons of this acquisition to Skype, yes Microsoft bungled the Skype acquisition. But they have been killing it with Typescript and Visual Studio. I feel like that at such a large company, the Typescript recent history matters more than the Skype history. Two very different areas with different people in charge, etc.

deedubaya 8y ago
MS has always been pretty good at making products. MS has always been pretty bad at providing services.
- tracker1 8y ago
  Azure is pretty nice to use... Office 365 is second to none imho. Teams is great.
sametmax 8y ago
As much as I love VSCode, you live in a buble. A communication app affects way more people than a programming language or a text editor. Even my mother uses the former, while only a fraction of all the programmers I met in my life use the laters. And MS did messed up on other major products or companies - Rare video games. They did freaking golden eyes and conkers bad day and they manage to kill it. - they messed up Wn10, which is still not as good as Win7 after all those years but spies more on you and forces update at the worse moment on you - the latest outlook is barely usable. Sometime mails can't be sent. Sometime it freezes or crashes. It's very slow, the search sucks and I never find the buttons I'm looking for. - they killed Nokia and the windows phone despite all the investments the community did in it. And it was considered a good product. - they are milking minecraft like disney is milking SW, so that all the creative community has moved to private servers. I mean, we are talking about a company that had a monopoly on the media player and the web browser on the most used OS in the world. The player and browser, the most used software ever by the non tech saavy users. And to this day, none of their versions is remotely as good as the competition.
- yebyen 8y ago
  Many of your criticisms may be justified, but this one reads a bit silly to me: > monopoly on the media player and the web browser on the most used OS in the world I know it's a trope to say that IE was a monopoly, but the longest view of these stats I can easily find comes from W3Counter[1] and at what appears to be its market peak in 2007, IE6 and IE7 had 50% and 17% of the market. OK, so the combined share was downtrending since the actual peak in 2004, according to ADTECH data from Europe[2]... Huh. There are stats that go way further back, to before IE was dominant, and Wikipedia says it actually peaked in 2002, with 96% of the market.[3] I stand corrected? I started my reply to make a point, and upon doing the basic research found that it appears I don't know what I'm talking about. These stats are really interesting, though! FWIW, I have not been primarily a Windows user since I was about 14 years old. That was in 1999, when Netscape was still a player in the market, and I began my switch to Linux. I guess I forgot (or blacked out, it was traumatic) the fact that there was a point in time in the Browser Wars when IE was effectively declared the winner. It's been a steady downhill trend since then! [1]: https://www.w3counter.com/trends https://www.w3counter.com/trends [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#ADTECH_(Europe,_2004_to_2009) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#AD... [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#Reports_from_before_year_2000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#Re...
- iambateman 8y ago
  Totally with you on all of that and that I live in a comfy bubble of tech stuff. Conveniently, Github fits right into the technology bubble. :)
- tracker1 8y ago
  Win10 could be better than win7, but too much time adding in ads and not enough refactoring the old UX all the way.
  - sametmax 8y ago
    It really could. And they did try, at least the system PATH UI is better :)

deedubaya 8y ago

MS has always been pretty good at making products. MS has always been pretty bad at providing services.

tracker1 8y ago
Azure is pretty nice to use... Office 365 is second to none imho. Teams is great.

sametmax 8y ago

As much as I love VSCode, you live in a buble. A communication app affects way more people than a programming language or a text editor. Even my mother uses the former, while only a fraction of all the programmers I met in my life use the laters. And MS did messed up on other major products or companies - Rare video games. They did freaking golden eyes and conkers bad day and they manage to kill it. - they messed up Wn10, which is still not as good as Win7 after all those years but spies more on you and forces update at the worse moment on you - the latest outlook is barely usable. Sometime mails can't be sent. Sometime it freezes or crashes. It's very slow, the search sucks and I never find the buttons I'm looking for. - they killed Nokia and the windows phone despite all the investments the community did in it. And it was considered a good product. - they are milking minecraft like disney is milking SW, so that all the creative community has moved to private servers. I mean, we are talking about a company that had a monopoly on the media player and the web browser on the most used OS in the world. The player and browser, the most used software ever by the non tech saavy users. And to this day, none of their versions is remotely as good as the competition.

yebyen 8y ago
Many of your criticisms may be justified, but this one reads a bit silly to me: > monopoly on the media player and the web browser on the most used OS in the world I know it's a trope to say that IE was a monopoly, but the longest view of these stats I can easily find comes from W3Counter[1] and at what appears to be its market peak in 2007, IE6 and IE7 had 50% and 17% of the market. OK, so the combined share was downtrending since the actual peak in 2004, according to ADTECH data from Europe[2]... Huh. There are stats that go way further back, to before IE was dominant, and Wikipedia says it actually peaked in 2002, with 96% of the market.[3] I stand corrected? I started my reply to make a point, and upon doing the basic research found that it appears I don't know what I'm talking about. These stats are really interesting, though! FWIW, I have not been primarily a Windows user since I was about 14 years old. That was in 1999, when Netscape was still a player in the market, and I began my switch to Linux. I guess I forgot (or blacked out, it was traumatic) the fact that there was a point in time in the Browser Wars when IE was effectively declared the winner. It's been a steady downhill trend since then! [1]: https://www.w3counter.com/trends https://www.w3counter.com/trends [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#ADTECH_(Europe,_2004_to_2009) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#AD... [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#Reports_from_before_year_2000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#Re...
iambateman 8y ago
Totally with you on all of that and that I live in a comfy bubble of tech stuff. Conveniently, Github fits right into the technology bubble. :)
tracker1 8y ago
Win10 could be better than win7, but too much time adding in ads and not enough refactoring the old UX all the way.
- sametmax 8y ago
  It really could. And they did try, at least the system PATH UI is better :)