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Really hope these talks fall through and nothing comes of it. Too many bad experiences with Microsoft buying something out, mismanaging it, and it goes down the
by AgentK20 8y ago
Really hope these talks fall through and nothing comes of it. Too many bad experiences with Microsoft buying something out, mismanaging it, and it goes down the drain. As much as I love GitHub, I won't be using a Microsoft-owned GitHub for any of my company's work.
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- jordache 8y agosuch a presumptuous statement. Why proclaim you won't use a MSFT owned github, even as a hypothetical?
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- d0lph 8y agoIf it were maybe 5 years ago I would be horrified, but under Nadella they are a lot less ... Microsoft-y.
- someonewhocar3s 8y agoGolden comment for me tbh. The real nightmare is we'll hand it all to Nadella. Microsoft reaches market capture/coercive monopoly. Nadella leaves, a new frontman comes to exploit according to tried-and-true strategies. (Nadella as a response to loss of monopoly, aimed at regaining market dominance) Acquiring Github fits /perfectly/ into Ballmer-Microsoft's "developers, developers, developers", and the current Visual Studio strategy. This would establish a market-capture-synergy between Internet Explorer / Chakra / Nodejs / Github / Visual Studio / Visual Studio Code / .net / ~Microsoft. OTOH Github's commitment to maintaining code that competes with Microsoft's products creates an incredible amount of conflict of interest. If Microsoft can pull it off without rejecting the Open Source incumbents, this would benefit their image tremendously. Github won't be eager to sell, but how's near a gigaM$ sound? This could be a major takeover.
- singingfish 8y agoI was at a container orchestration conference the other day, and got the distinct impression that microsoft are not the great satan, and azure is probably a really good choice for cloud service. I can't believe I'm saying that. I'm having dinner with a prolific debian maintainer tonight, maybe he'll beat some sense into me.
- mhh__ 8y agoThey actually have to compete now, is why. I assume
- OkGoDoIt 8y agoI agree in theory, but have you ever actually tried to use Azure? The management interface is ridiculously overcomplicated. It feels very “Microsofty”
- uiri 8y agoThe REST APIs and CLI/Powershell interfaces are much, much nicer. The web Portal seems to get revamped every other year and the latest incarnation is not very good.
- giancarlostoro 8y agoTo be fair they haven't screwed up LinkedIn. I think they will let GitHub grow with their resources.
- amag 8y agoLast I looked, Minecraft seemed to be quite in order as well.
- cm2187 8y agoShall we talk Nokia...
- jdgoesmarching 8y agoPre-Nadella tbf, who was opposed to the acquisition when Ballmer was CEO.
- KyeRussell 8y agoAgreed. Buying Nokia of all things stinks of Ballmer. I was listening to an interview where he seemingly took responsibility for the whole stuff up. Not sure how much weight that holds
- philliphaydon 8y agoBuying Nokia wasn’t the issue. Microsoft’s handling of Nokia was the issue. Microsoft is not good at making a physical product and releasing it to the world like Apple and Samsung. The fact many countries had to wait > 12 months to get the latest phone was retarded. Windows phone was awesome, but Microsoft screwed themselves by not doing minimum what it’s competitors were doing.
- bbatha 8y agoHuh? Microsoft has several very successful hardware product lines: peripherals (the Microsoft ergo keyboard is the gold standard in many circles), Xbox, the surface line. Maybe they can’t generate Apple hype but they do know how to make consumer hardware.
- godzillabrennus 8y agoI still miss Sunrise.am They also killed Danger Mobile.
- cptskippy 8y agoI agree and I would feel that same way if it were any other large tech company. So many nice products have passed on in acquisition either because users abandoned them or the acquiring party did. I'm not sure which would happen first here. If GitHub is financially strapped and looking for a buy out, I hope they're exploring other options for funding.
- superbaconman 8y agoI would understand if they sold, but it would make me sad. GitHub has done a great job. I'd hate to see them have to answer to someone other than themselves.
- prepend 8y agoI don’t know, isn’t Microsoft the only software company left? I love Google, but they sell ads, their mission isn’t to make software. Microsoft is more and more cloud and services, but they still have a developer mentality and they have done some good stuff with open source lately. If someone is going to buy Github, Microsoft is probably the most friendly to developers. Unless Google or Facebook wants to go full altruist and buy for the credibility.
- SanDimasFootbal 8y agoAtlassian is very much a Software Company.
- b34r 8y agoI wouldn’t exactly call them the gold standard of software. JIRA is a holy mess and well... many of us are still stuck with HipChat
- SanDimasFootbal 8y agoWho is the gold standard?
- b34r 8y ago37 Signals is well loved. A lot of people would say Google these days... now that they're starting to move beyond Material Design 1.0 a lot of their products are becoming more visually mature and unique, along with their substantial investment in machine learning to make their software more personalized, etc.
- gurkendoktor 8y agoI'm only a relatively casual user, but doesn't Atlassian mostly buy and then manage existing software products? They didn't develop Trello, HipChat, Bitbucket etc. Every time I run into an issue with Atlassian software, I find a JIRA ticket from 7 years ago. If they have a capable dev team, it's probably working on projects off my radar?
- mc32 8y agoIt could be worse, Oracle or SalesForce could have been in talks...
- e40 8y agoYeah, I agree. I would immediately delete my github account if this happened. I don't buy that MS has seen the light and is a different company now. In the last 2 weeks, 3 people have told me their Windows 10 install updated itself and was completely borked. At least one of these people are going out and buying a new Windows machine as a result (thus giving MS a little more revenue). It absolutely disgusts me.
- yani 8y agoYou must have very weird friends. My family and I havent had any issues since Vista.
- gurkendoktor 8y agoRandom recent example. Using an Intel or Toshiba SSD is decidedly not weird: https://www.anandtech.com/show/12742/latest-windows-10-version-incompatible-with-intel-ssd-600p https://www.anandtech.com/show/12742/latest-windows-10-versi... This update has broken computers until the SSDs in question were blacklisted. For people who auto-downloaded the update after that, Windows "only" showed annoying and absolutely unhelpful error messages every single day since the 1803 release. This is not an outlier, but a strategy: https://www.computerworld.com/article/2878026/microsoft-to-business-dont-worry-about-windows-10-consumers-will-test-it.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/2878026/microsoft-to-b...
- e40 8y agoI like how you attack my friends and family and ignore the main point. https://twitter.com/jamiebuilds/status/1002696910266773505 https://twitter.com/jamiebuilds/status/1002696910266773505
- hyperpallium 8y agoIsn't minecraft ok, under the new Microsoft?
- eevilspock 8y agohttps://github.com/upend/IF_MS_BUYS_GITHUB_IMMA_OUT https://github.com/upend/IF_MS_BUYS_GITHUB_IMMA_OUT
- yani 8y agoGitHub clearly needs change of management. I havent seen much inmovation from them compared to GitLab. Microsoft is very strong on innovation since change of management.
- mwj 8y agoDepends what you like. I prefer my Git hosting suppliers to have better than 50% uptime.
- pritambaral 8y agoUser of both GitLab and GitHub here. GitHub also goes down.
- spacenick88 8y agoI'm not super familiar with GitLab besides self hosted instances. Even then I prefer the simplicity of gogs. So what do you feel are still be innovations GitLab has but GitHub lacks?
- matteeyah 8y agoWe have a comparison page for GitLab Premium and GHE - https://about.gitlab.com/comparison/gitlab-eep-vs-github-enterprise.html#dropdown https://about.gitlab.com/comparison/gitlab-eep-vs-github-ent... Most features have a link to their respective documentation for more information.
- jaredklewis 8y agoGitHub is easy to use, and I’ve found the important features work really well. I’m all for improvements, but I’m not even sure what I would want. At this point, I’m more worried any attempt at innovation would break the things I like about GitHub now, than I am excited for something new. I use gitlab for all my private projects and don’t find it to be remarkably better in any way, and the UI always confuses me.
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- cryptozeus 8y agoThis Microsoft is quite different!
- kyberias 8y agoWhy does it matter to you so much who owns GitHub if it's a good tool? Sounds unnecessary vitriol.
- lwhalen 8y agoSome of us are old enough to remember Microsoft of the 90's and early aughties. "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" was the name of the game then, many of us haven't forgiven Microsoft for that yet (and nor do we plan to).
- bostik 8y agoAnd a more recent example: Skype.
- kyberias 8y agoRight, I know that, and that's just idiotic behavior. You should concentrate on what is happening today, not what happened decades ago and hold grudges. That attitude leads you into unhappy places.
- srean 8y agoI doubt its about grudges. The mid level exec culture in a company does not change fast.
- AsyncAwait 8y agoForgiving them too easily shows them that they can get off the hook easily, which isn't a good thing either.
- lwhalen 8y agoFound the Microsoft stock-holder... ;-)
- aurizon 8y agoI agree, as they say, 'snakebit and doomed to die' http://www.memidex.com/snakebit http://www.memidex.com/snakebit
- btschaegg 8y agoThat would've been my exact reaction while reading this. Good thing I have no large projects on Github. Well, I guess Gitlab would be happy about the new customers. If they're clever, they'll work on some tools to easen the transition. From this perspective, Git has made some fundamental things right: Because it only functions as a decentralized system, it strongly reduces lock-in. In the case of Github, you "only" had to port over issues and pull requests. Imagine how great it would be if there was a standard way to save issues in a git repo[1] that was supported by pretty much every provider. [1]: Such as https://pythonhosted.org/pyditz/ https://pythonhosted.org/pyditz/
- yrashk 8y agoThere's no standard, of course, but [shameless plug] I've recently built SIT (https://sit.fyi https://sit.fyi) -- a tool that allows to collaborate on information in a decentralized, "true serverless" manner. Its first application is (duh!) issue tracking and it has been operational since almost day zero and SIT itself is using it. There's even a GitHub -> SIT import tool (pre-release) Now, what's also great (did I mention "shameless"?) about the approach used in SIT is that while you can use it with Git (and this is how I've been using it so far), it does not depend on Git's structures but just files -- so it can be easily carried over to whatever might replace Git in a decade.
- btschaegg 8y agoGood to know, thank you very much for the link! I've just been thinking: If one manages issues within a separate git repo -- couldn't we also store pull requests this way? I've always been very impressed by how good `git diff` and `git apply` work together, so theoretically, one should just be able to store the result of `git diff master...HEAD` in a new issue. The rest sounds like a tooling problem...
- yrashk 8y agoSIT's issue tracking module stores merge requests (aka patches) in SIT itself, therefore, they can all be stored in a git repo. Case in point: https://github.com/sit-fyi/sit/commit/e9f96b84edc560bb1b0c0fa659908a9231ea165c https://github.com/sit-fyi/sit/commit/e9f96b84edc560bb1b0c0f... And this is how it looks in SIT: https://imgur.com/a/UCFmbsZ https://imgur.com/a/UCFmbsZ
- tomsiw 8y agoThe list of key MS acquisitions isn't that long and out of several products only Nokia is a definite failure. Skype gotten worse but I wouldn't count it as failure just yet. Remaining big acquisitions (Forethought PowerPoint, Hotmail, Visio, Navision Dynamics, LinkedIn) where rather successful.
- h1d 8y agoWhat's a good alternative in case it goes bad?