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Tesla has driver-assist, it's like comparing a bicycle to a motorcycle. Tesla autopilot is doing a lot of harm to its brand and self-driving industry by using h

by pavs 8y ago

Tesla has driver-assist, it's like comparing a bicycle to a motorcycle. Tesla autopilot is doing a lot of harm to its brand and self-driving industry by using half-baked driver-assist on a production car and implying that it's self-driving. Your Tesla won't stop in front of a brick wall if your life depended on it.

ajross 8y ago
That's a semantic distinction without real meaning. Tesla autopilot may have been designed/deployed to different standards of autonomy, but it's fundamentally solving exactly the same technical problem. And it's actually doing quite well, though given human psychology any crash is going to be turned into "doing a lot of harm to its brand". Alas, we can't automate away knee-jerk conservatism. > Your Tesla won't stop in front of a brick wall if your life depended on it. You folks are going to come after Waymo with your hatchets too, once a few juicy wrecks show up on Twitter.
- Qworg 8y ago
  Are you kidding me? It is far more than a semantic distinction - Tesla is actively telling people that their car is "on autopilot". People, perhaps out of the same level of boosterism you're demonstrating here, believe them. Some growing percentage of them die. It isn't going well - they're actively harming the future of self driving in the world.
  - ajross 8y ago
    > It is far more than a semantic distinction - Tesla is actively telling people that their car is "on autopilot". Uh... what Tesla is "telling people" (or what they are "calling" their product) is the very definition of a semantic distinction. The point was that the technical problem being solved is the same one Waymo is working on. > Some growing percentage of them die. Are you kidding me? (See what I did there?) That statement isn't remotely true. There have been two fatal accidents involving Tesla autopilot. Sales are growing rapidly quarter after quarter. How exactly do you support that? That kind of fake analysis (driven by your personal feelings about the company or its owner, presumably, and not numbers) is what's harming the future of self driving in the world.
    - Qworg 8y ago
      Except Tesla doesn't have the sensors and hasn't demonstrated the chops. How many fatal accidents involving Waymo vehicles are there? Sales aren't even remotely associated. I support it based on "autopilot" versus true self driving systems. Which is safer? "Fake analysis" won't matter when the NTSB bans all self driving systems because a few companies keep screwing it up. My hope is that they only target the egregious offenders - Tesla and perhaps Uber.
  - richardw 8y ago
    > "on autopilot" Pilots don't let planes on autopilot take off and land. They don't just turn it on and go for a beer. Same with boats - there's still a human despite the fanciest autopilot on a ship, especially when navigating a harbour. However the term is overloaded - consumers think it means something different. In the consumer understanding, autopilot means "go to sleep I've got this." But it's never been that. Tesla's mistake is using a term people might misunderstand, not misusing rhe term themselves.

by pavs 8y ago

ajross 8y ago

That's a semantic distinction without real meaning. Tesla autopilot may have been designed/deployed to different standards of autonomy, but it's fundamentally solving exactly the same technical problem. And it's actually doing quite well, though given human psychology any crash is going to be turned into "doing a lot of harm to its brand". Alas, we can't automate away knee-jerk conservatism. > Your Tesla won't stop in front of a brick wall if your life depended on it. You folks are going to come after Waymo with your hatchets too, once a few juicy wrecks show up on Twitter.

Qworg 8y ago
Are you kidding me? It is far more than a semantic distinction - Tesla is actively telling people that their car is "on autopilot". People, perhaps out of the same level of boosterism you're demonstrating here, believe them. Some growing percentage of them die. It isn't going well - they're actively harming the future of self driving in the world.
- ajross 8y ago
  > It is far more than a semantic distinction - Tesla is actively telling people that their car is "on autopilot". Uh... what Tesla is "telling people" (or what they are "calling" their product) is the very definition of a semantic distinction. The point was that the technical problem being solved is the same one Waymo is working on. > Some growing percentage of them die. Are you kidding me? (See what I did there?) That statement isn't remotely true. There have been two fatal accidents involving Tesla autopilot. Sales are growing rapidly quarter after quarter. How exactly do you support that? That kind of fake analysis (driven by your personal feelings about the company or its owner, presumably, and not numbers) is what's harming the future of self driving in the world.
  - Qworg 8y ago
    Except Tesla doesn't have the sensors and hasn't demonstrated the chops. How many fatal accidents involving Waymo vehicles are there? Sales aren't even remotely associated. I support it based on "autopilot" versus true self driving systems. Which is safer? "Fake analysis" won't matter when the NTSB bans all self driving systems because a few companies keep screwing it up. My hope is that they only target the egregious offenders - Tesla and perhaps Uber.
- richardw 8y ago
  > "on autopilot" Pilots don't let planes on autopilot take off and land. They don't just turn it on and go for a beer. Same with boats - there's still a human despite the fanciest autopilot on a ship, especially when navigating a harbour. However the term is overloaded - consumers think it means something different. In the consumer understanding, autopilot means "go to sleep I've got this." But it's never been that. Tesla's mistake is using a term people might misunderstand, not misusing rhe term themselves.