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What do you mean by this: "with that the risk of being arrested for all sorts of criminal activity by non-tech-savvy law enforcement" You can be arrested for t

by Exuma 8y ago

What do you mean by this: "with that the risk of being arrested for all sorts of criminal activity by non-tech-savvy law enforcement" You can be arrested for things just by using Tor if they mix you up with someone else or something?

ComodoHacker 8y ago
Depending on jurisdiction — yes. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/04/access-now-and-eff-condemn-arrest-tor-node-operator-dmitry-bogatov-russia https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/04/access-now-and-eff-con...
nodja 8y ago
If you use tor and only visit onion sites, the sites don't know who visited them. If you use tor and visit the regular web sites (like, say, HN), the last computer that does the actual request to the website is an exit node, as far as that site is concerned, the exit node made the http request. If you run an exit node, your computer is going to be doing tons of requests to all kinds of websites, this may include sites that deal in illegal stuff like drugs, child prostitution, human trafficking, terrorism, etc. edit: Forgot to say, you must explicit be running an exit node. Not every tor node is an exit node.
kbrackbill 8y ago
You can be arrested for running an exit node, because other Tor users' traffic will appear to be coming from you. For example: https://www.deepdotweb.com/2017/05/01/russian-tor-exit-node-operator-arrested/ https://www.deepdotweb.com/2017/05/01/russian-tor-exit-node-... https://www.zdnet.com/article/dan-egerstads-tor-exit-nodes-get-him-arrested-and-proves-a-point-i-made-in-july/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/dan-egerstads-tor-exit-nodes-g... https://www.pcworld.com/article/2452320/tor-exit-node-operator-convicted-of-abetting-spread-of-child-porn.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/2452320/tor-exit-node-operat...
- jerheinze 8y ago
  All of them from people running their exit from home, which has always been warned against.
  - benevol 8y ago
    Just use some cheap VPN service in front of your Tor/Firefox browser (which most people should do in any case) and you're good to go.
    - Yoric 8y ago
      How does this affect exit nodes?
      - benevol 8y ago
        If you're worried that law enforcement will knock on your door because somebody used your exit node for illegal internet activity, a VPN service (that does not log traffic) will give you additional protection by exposing their IP address, not yours.
        tscs37 8y ago
        A lot of VPN services forbid running exit nodes in their ToS as it tends to trash IP reputation...
    - jerheinze 8y ago
      That has no relation to the cases above which were of people running Tor exit nodes from their home. If one wants to hide their Tor usage then that's something else and there are pluggable transports that are already built-in the Tor Browser to obfuscate Tor traffic to look like something else--no need for a VPN.
  - Exuma 8y ago
    Where is the recommended place to run one?
- jabn76 8y ago
  Looks like a cheap escape from jail card. Run an exit node and then do something illegal. Then blame it on someone else.
  - jerheinze 8y ago
    Why take that trouble when they can do it directly using Tor without running any exit at home? Also for instance Bogatov had an alibi when that happened.
    - jabn76 8y ago
      Most forums ban all Tor exits.
      - jerheinze 8y ago
        > Most forums ban all Tor exits. So running an exit at home to coverup for posting on a forum that bans all Tor exits, that makes no sense.
      - mirimir 8y ago
        HN doesn't :)
      - philipkglass 8y ago
        The forum I run only bans IP addresses caught posting link-spam. Which, admittedly, asymptotically approached 100% of Tor exit nodes before I instituted more rapid ban-expiration. I added faster ban-expiration after hearing from some of my privacy-conscious users that Tor had become unusable for my forum.
  - drexlspivey 8y ago
    Did you miss the part where exit node operators are getting arrested?
    - jabn76 8y ago
      They sometimes are. Not always. And they walk out free, except for that Jewish guy who lived in Austria (I can’t remember his name but he was the only one to get in real trouble for running an exit node).

by Exuma 8y ago

ComodoHacker 8y ago

Depending on jurisdiction — yes. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/04/access-now-and-eff-condemn-arrest-tor-node-operator-dmitry-bogatov-russia https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/04/access-now-and-eff-con...

nodja 8y ago

If you use tor and only visit onion sites, the sites don't know who visited them. If you use tor and visit the regular web sites (like, say, HN), the last computer that does the actual request to the website is an exit node, as far as that site is concerned, the exit node made the http request. If you run an exit node, your computer is going to be doing tons of requests to all kinds of websites, this may include sites that deal in illegal stuff like drugs, child prostitution, human trafficking, terrorism, etc. edit: Forgot to say, you must explicit be running an exit node. Not every tor node is an exit node.

kbrackbill 8y ago

You can be arrested for running an exit node, because other Tor users' traffic will appear to be coming from you. For example: https://www.deepdotweb.com/2017/05/01/russian-tor-exit-node-operator-arrested/ https://www.deepdotweb.com/2017/05/01/russian-tor-exit-node-... https://www.zdnet.com/article/dan-egerstads-tor-exit-nodes-get-him-arrested-and-proves-a-point-i-made-in-july/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/dan-egerstads-tor-exit-nodes-g... https://www.pcworld.com/article/2452320/tor-exit-node-operator-convicted-of-abetting-spread-of-child-porn.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/2452320/tor-exit-node-operat...

jerheinze 8y ago
All of them from people running their exit from home, which has always been warned against.
- benevol 8y ago
  Just use some cheap VPN service in front of your Tor/Firefox browser (which most people should do in any case) and you're good to go.
  - Yoric 8y ago
    How does this affect exit nodes?
    - benevol 8y ago
      If you're worried that law enforcement will knock on your door because somebody used your exit node for illegal internet activity, a VPN service (that does not log traffic) will give you additional protection by exposing their IP address, not yours.
      - tscs37 8y ago
        A lot of VPN services forbid running exit nodes in their ToS as it tends to trash IP reputation...
  - jerheinze 8y ago
    That has no relation to the cases above which were of people running Tor exit nodes from their home. If one wants to hide their Tor usage then that's something else and there are pluggable transports that are already built-in the Tor Browser to obfuscate Tor traffic to look like something else--no need for a VPN.
- Exuma 8y ago
  Where is the recommended place to run one?
jabn76 8y ago
Looks like a cheap escape from jail card. Run an exit node and then do something illegal. Then blame it on someone else.
- jerheinze 8y ago
  Why take that trouble when they can do it directly using Tor without running any exit at home? Also for instance Bogatov had an alibi when that happened.
  - jabn76 8y ago
    Most forums ban all Tor exits.
    - jerheinze 8y ago
      > Most forums ban all Tor exits. So running an exit at home to coverup for posting on a forum that bans all Tor exits, that makes no sense.
    - mirimir 8y ago
      HN doesn't :)
    - philipkglass 8y ago
      The forum I run only bans IP addresses caught posting link-spam. Which, admittedly, asymptotically approached 100% of Tor exit nodes before I instituted more rapid ban-expiration. I added faster ban-expiration after hearing from some of my privacy-conscious users that Tor had become unusable for my forum.
- drexlspivey 8y ago
  Did you miss the part where exit node operators are getting arrested?
  - jabn76 8y ago
    They sometimes are. Not always. And they walk out free, except for that Jewish guy who lived in Austria (I can’t remember his name but he was the only one to get in real trouble for running an exit node).