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So long as Tor depends on volunteers to maintain exit nodes, and with that the risk of being arrested for all sorts of criminal activity by non-tech-savvy law e
by astrodust 8y ago
So long as Tor depends on volunteers to maintain exit nodes, and with that the risk of being arrested for all sorts of criminal activity by non-tech-savvy law enforcement, this is how it'll be.
- openasocket 8y agoTor is slow because every packet has to be routed through several random servers distributed all over the world with multiple layers of crypto at every pass. Even with plenty of top-of-the-line inner and exit nodes you will still see substantially more latency than just sending packets directly.
- astrodust 8y agoThat wouldn't be as big an issue if all the nodes were very well connected, like positioned near big peering points, but they're not.
- seandougall 8y agoThe "distributed all over the world" part would still be just as much of an issue; the speed of light puts a substantial lower bound on the total latency.
- astrodust 8y agoTrue, but pinging from one hub to another is way faster than someone's cable modem in Mumbai to someone's in Australia to someone's in Peru and back again. Those last miles add up in a huge way.
- pathseeker 8y agoNo, IPSec tunnels to remote headquarters have indistinguishable latency impacts for normal users browsing (<150ms). The bad latency is because of congestion, not crypto and multiple hops.
- mirimir 8y agoMirimir typically uses a three-VPN nested chain. Just now, rtt to google.com was ~260 msec. That's four hops. Just not with servers on the far side of the planet.
- Exuma 8y agoWhat do you mean by this: "with that the risk of being arrested for all sorts of criminal activity by non-tech-savvy law enforcement" You can be arrested for things just by using Tor if they mix you up with someone else or something?
- ComodoHacker 8y agoDepending on jurisdiction — yes. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/04/access-now-and-eff-condemn-arrest-tor-node-operator-dmitry-bogatov-russia https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/04/access-now-and-eff-con...
- nodja 8y agoIf you use tor and only visit onion sites, the sites don't know who visited them. If you use tor and visit the regular web sites (like, say, HN), the last computer that does the actual request to the website is an exit node, as far as that site is concerned, the exit node made the http request. If you run an exit node, your computer is going to be doing tons of requests to all kinds of websites, this may include sites that deal in illegal stuff like drugs, child prostitution, human trafficking, terrorism, etc. edit: Forgot to say, you must explicit be running an exit node. Not every tor node is an exit node.
- kbrackbill 8y agoYou can be arrested for running an exit node, because other Tor users' traffic will appear to be coming from you. For example: https://www.deepdotweb.com/2017/05/01/russian-tor-exit-node-operator-arrested/ https://www.deepdotweb.com/2017/05/01/russian-tor-exit-node-... https://www.zdnet.com/article/dan-egerstads-tor-exit-nodes-get-him-arrested-and-proves-a-point-i-made-in-july/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/dan-egerstads-tor-exit-nodes-g... https://www.pcworld.com/article/2452320/tor-exit-node-operator-convicted-of-abetting-spread-of-child-porn.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/2452320/tor-exit-node-operat...
- jerheinze 8y agoAll of them from people running their exit from home, which has always been warned against.