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You can add a scary warning which could be enough for many users. And charge additional fee for fixing system broken because of this.

lloeki 8y ago
> You can add a scary warning which could be enough for many users Hah. Does the tech crowd never learn? What we expect the "many users" to see: +-------------------+ | This is dangerous | | you'll be on your | | own, so take care | | | | [cancel] [ok] | +-------------------+ What the "many users" really see: +-------------------+ | This is a mildly | | annoying message | | only made to | | delay access to | | instant happinness| | and BTW blah blah | | blah blah blah | | blah blah blah | | | | [meh] [buzz off and giev me teh warez] +-------------------+ > And charge additional fee for fixing system broken because of this. <at your regular party> "Hey I hear from <insert {relative,friend,whatever} here> that you work with, uh, computers and stuff, and, I think my phone is somehow, uh, broken, and I know zilch about computers, so could you help me with it pleeeease?" I've been astounded with spectacular consistency over the years at how much people can achieve (however unsafely) to get stuff for free even if they openly claim to be tech illiterate. That includes jailbreaking and installing "alternative" app stores. Basically some kind of goal-oriented BOFH's dummy mode on steroids.
- codedokode 8y ago
  I think it depends on the person. There are responsible people who aren't going to take a risk for dubious opporunity to watch pirated movies on a tiny screen. The message should be honest and then it won't be interpreted as you imagine.
  - dwaite 8y ago
    This has nothing to do with warez or pirated movies. For over a year, Minecraft shipped for the Mac without being properly signed for Gatekeeper. Their official support article said the only way to get it to work is to turn the feature off (disable binary signatures system-wide) - probably because they didn't want to explain to people what right-clicking was. I'm unsure if this was due to lethargy, lack of wanting to pay $99/yr to have their $2.5 bil product have a proper software signing key, or an ongoing technical issue. But they in no way explained to users what the ramifications of this change was, and the typical user making the change was likely a kid. If Apple provides a way for a company (I'll pick on Spotify here as a likely example) to ship their app without having to play by the rules of the App Store, it will quickly become the only way to get the app. The only way the users will be able to get the functionality they want on their phone would be to disable the security protections and side-load. And historically, companies have dismissed the ramifications to the user of doing this ("Hit 'Ok' on the dialog which is displayed") Companies like Amazon has a whole third party store based on exploiting what is often referred to in Android as a "developer mode". I see zero likelihood Apple will make it possible for a side loading feature compatible with mass distribution without government pressure. If you don't care about distribution but just want to build and load an app on your personal phone, thats already possible and does not require any fees or paid tools (assuming you have a Mac). Of course, this App Store is also the central authority which would allow Telegram to take down fake apps which are there to confuse users and potentially provide vectors for things like ransomware and surveillance by state actors.

lloeki 8y ago

> You can add a scary warning which could be enough for many users Hah. Does the tech crowd never learn? What we expect the "many users" to see: +-------------------+ | This is dangerous | | you'll be on your | | own, so take care | | | | [cancel] [ok] | +-------------------+ What the "many users" really see: +-------------------+ | This is a mildly | | annoying message | | only made to | | delay access to | | instant happinness| | and BTW blah blah | | blah blah blah | | blah blah blah | | | | [meh] [buzz off and giev me teh warez] +-------------------+ > And charge additional fee for fixing system broken because of this. <at your regular party> "Hey I hear from <insert {relative,friend,whatever} here> that you work with, uh, computers and stuff, and, I think my phone is somehow, uh, broken, and I know zilch about computers, so could you help me with it pleeeease?" I've been astounded with spectacular consistency over the years at how much people can achieve (however unsafely) to get stuff for free even if they openly claim to be tech illiterate. That includes jailbreaking and installing "alternative" app stores. Basically some kind of goal-oriented BOFH's dummy mode on steroids.

codedokode 8y ago
I think it depends on the person. There are responsible people who aren't going to take a risk for dubious opporunity to watch pirated movies on a tiny screen. The message should be honest and then it won't be interpreted as you imagine.
- dwaite 8y ago
  This has nothing to do with warez or pirated movies. For over a year, Minecraft shipped for the Mac without being properly signed for Gatekeeper. Their official support article said the only way to get it to work is to turn the feature off (disable binary signatures system-wide) - probably because they didn't want to explain to people what right-clicking was. I'm unsure if this was due to lethargy, lack of wanting to pay $99/yr to have their $2.5 bil product have a proper software signing key, or an ongoing technical issue. But they in no way explained to users what the ramifications of this change was, and the typical user making the change was likely a kid. If Apple provides a way for a company (I'll pick on Spotify here as a likely example) to ship their app without having to play by the rules of the App Store, it will quickly become the only way to get the app. The only way the users will be able to get the functionality they want on their phone would be to disable the security protections and side-load. And historically, companies have dismissed the ramifications to the user of doing this ("Hit 'Ok' on the dialog which is displayed") Companies like Amazon has a whole third party store based on exploiting what is often referred to in Android as a "developer mode". I see zero likelihood Apple will make it possible for a side loading feature compatible with mass distribution without government pressure. If you don't care about distribution but just want to build and load an app on your personal phone, thats already possible and does not require any fees or paid tools (assuming you have a Mac). Of course, this App Store is also the central authority which would allow Telegram to take down fake apps which are there to confuse users and potentially provide vectors for things like ransomware and surveillance by state actors.