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There isn't anything to do on facebook for the young/youth. The games are more for the middle aged player. They have no list of long lost people they wish to
by wolco 8y ago
There isn't anything to do on facebook for the young/youth.
The games are more for the middle aged player.
They have no list of long lost people they wish to connect with. Everyone is a friend or friend of a friend.
You can follow brands but the youth want to follow a band or an actor not a toothbrush company.
Things like poking or using a fake name or having permissions connected to school or orgs created social group that you would share related photos. Now you have to manage a list or share with everyone.
Facebook was a good way for college kids to connect with everyone from there school. They could create a new persona with fun photos/videos and show everyone how popular they are. Now you hide your friend list, avoid saying anything that you wouldn't say in front of your mother and secretly worry that anything you post will be purchased by a potential future employer enabling them to filter out your resume in record time.
- acchow 8y agoAnd events. I use Facebook Events extensively. As a teen, I'd go to the movies with my friends maybe 4 times a year. Never went to any events. The extent of our fun was playing basketball or just sitting around.
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- sanderjd 8y agoSee maybe this is why I never understood the supposed all-important-ness of Events. I still just hang out with friends or family or by myself rather than going to "events".
- jozzas 8y agoI follow local market and food truck events, a couple of cool bars and arcades I like that frequently have events on, a place that does dog-centric events, local car shows that are of interest to me, etc. Facebook then surfaces other events that it thinks are of interest to me, and most of them are. I'd say 75% of my social calendar comes from Facebook events. I can understand young people not being interested in any of this and following their specific interests, like following a band on instagram rather than a venue on facebook.
- michaelbuckbee 8y agoA few of the local meetups are organized over FB instead of Meetup.com (because even the few bucks that Meetup charged was "too expensive" - though I think more in time/logistics than in actual dollars). Similarly, my daughter's GirlScouts troop uses FB exclusively for organizing/announcements/voting, etc.
- takluyver 8y agoI used to organise a local user group - it was free to attend, quite small, and we averaged maybe one meeting every couple of months. I wanted to put it on meetup.com for more visibility, but $10/month feels like a lot to pay for something so small and non-commercial.
- Tomte 8y agoI'm dancing Swing dances. Some scenes don't even have a web site or a newsletter (or the web site is always outdated and inaccurate). But they all plan their dances and workshops meticulously in Facebook. I can mark dances as "interesting" months before they happen and look up later what's coming next week. That's especially nice for other scenes than your own, in towns two hours or more away. It's the only thing keeping me on Facebook, because I don't see how to replace that.
- hukjhgrvf 8y ago> I'm dancing Swing dances. ... Is this popular with American Teens? I am guessing not. Which kind of makes the GP's point.
- azernik 8y agoAt the older end of "teens" - a lot of people enter partner dance scenes when they're starting college. So 18-20-ish. (I'm a late bloomer, only started dancing at 25.) And at that point, yes, they start to do everything on Facebook.
- royroyroys 8y agoThis is also the only reason I keep using Facebook.
- azernik 8y agoSame with me - Blues and Fusion. (The Tango scene is more traditional, websites and flyers.)
- acchow 8y agoEveryone has their own thing. Probably my second favourite thing is hanging out with friends and talking and laughing with wine. But I love nothing more than dancing the night away with great music. I'm a raver. Facebook Events is a game changer.
- gaius 8y agoI'm a raver. Facebook Events is a game changer. When I started going to raves you got a phone call from a guy who heard from a guy that there was a layby off a remote B-road that you might want to be at and when you got there another guy would give you directions along an unnamed road to an abandoned airfield and that was where the rave was. Now we got corporate raves on a public website. The old way was better.
- RandallBrown 8y agoI have to imagine those secret raves still exist. I also have to imagine that sometimes you just want to dance and it's probably nice to not have to jump through a lot of hoops to find a fun party.
- HappyFapMachine 8y agoThat way still exists, so not really "old way".
- Cshelton 8y agoYes, the raves you will only hear about from friends of friends are very much alive and well. Weekly in my area. The bars/clubs close at two, these start right after and go to 8am... 1pm next day... whatever you want.
- Balero 8y agoIf we're gonna meet up for a few drinks or lunch/dinner, we just message a group (whatsapp/telegram) but if were sorting a weekend away, or a party then FB events gets used. Easy to keep the convo all together, post details, see whos coming etc.
- kinsomo 8y ago> See maybe this is why I never understood the supposed all-important-ness of Events. I still just hang out with friends or family or by myself rather than going to "events". It's not so much all-important, but it's the one feature that impacts Facebook-abstainers the most. If someone's planning a party and is lazily using FB events, you'll probably be left out if you don't have an account.
- sanderjd 8y agoMy point is that I, and I suspect lots of people, aren't reliant on being included in party planning of this sort. I just send or receive a message to my friends or family like "barbecue at 6:30 on Friday?" or way more often I don't do that at all and just chill at home. I'm not at all saying that there isn't a very large contingent of people for whom Events is super useful because they do way more stuff that makes sense to plan that way, I know that this contingent definitely does exist. What I'm saying is that there is another contingent of people like me who just don't do that, and people often seem to be in disbelief that such people exist. We do!
- cirgue 8y agoIt’s hard to coordinate large numbers of people without events. Organizing a party before Facebook was actually a lot of work compared to now, when all of the information you need is all in one place.
- developer2 8y agoYour saying "I use Facebook Events extensively" places you most likely in the ~30-50 age range. The 30+ crowd appears to believe that FaceBook is the most logical way to organize events - you can check in on your own schedule, without feeling pressured into immediately responding to someone poking you about joining up. Today's youth has no problem being expected to respond within minutes - or in the worst case, a couple of hours - to an inquiry made via SMS or Snapchat. ie: Older person: "I may have some free time this weekend, maybe I'll check FaceBook tomorrow to see if anyone is planning something"; vs. younger generation: "Someone snapped our group telling us to come out with them Saturday, I'll decide in the next 5 minutes whether I'm in or out".
- Jommi 8y agoThis seems very very disconnected from reality. You're confusing the word "events" for meaning "meeting up with friends" In reality FB events are extensively used by ages 16-30 as well for bigger group gatherings, such as going on holiday, going for a weekend somewhere, or something like that. Your anecdote look like something an older person would charicaturize about youth and elderly.
- kinsomo 8y ago> In reality FB events are extensively used by ages 16-30 as well for bigger group gatherings, such as going on holiday, going for a weekend somewhere, or something like that. I don't understand why you'd use FB events for "going on holiday, going for a weekend somewhere." Those things would entail a smaller, tighter knit group with much more communication and planning. Group chat seems like a better fit. IMO, FB events are really only suitable for things like parties, with an large invite/smaller rsvp dynamic, with mostly broadcast messages from the host.
- Jommi 8y agoOh I meant "bigger group" holidays, ones arranged by a society/class. Yes groupchat is better when it's less than say, 8 people. FB events are suitable for lots of things, I woulnd't say it in such a reductionary manner like "only parties".
- bobf 8y agoClosed groups are big for certain use cases - either for small-ish hobby+location specific communities or for attendees of some large events (i.e. music festivals).
- bitcoinbutter 8y agoYes, Facebook is very popular for expat groups around the world. Nearly every city with an active expat community has an extremely active Facebook group where people communicate. It's automatically assumed that other expats in the area are subscribed. This may be more of a 20+ use case, but either way, Facebook groups provide a sense of community. They are more personal than subreddits and less personal than a group chat.
- cinericius 8y agoFacebook the website doesn't have much to offer, however 'everyone' has one, so its separate messenger app is still very widely used (at least in the U.K.) I'd be interested to know if this is the case in the U.S. as well.
- Mogzol 8y agoMessenger is definitely the most popular messaging app where I live (near Vancouver, Canada), and [1] seems to indicate that this is true for most of North America. WhatsApp is still the most popular messaging app worldwide though, although in my experience it is barely used in Canada/USA. [1] https://www.similarweb.com/blog/mobile-messaging-app-map-2018 https://www.similarweb.com/blog/mobile-messaging-app-map-201...
- batiudrami 8y agoI understand a lot of the US still uses SMS, hence the constant talk of iMessage. The rest of the world uses Whatsapp or Messenger, except Japan/China/Korea who primarily use their own clients. Nowadays the only SMS I get are 2FA codes.
- Pr3fix 8y agoiMessage between iMessage users is akin to Whatsapp/messenger -- not actually SMS/MMS. Those are only sent when, say, messaging an Android user or if an iMessage failed to deliver.
- batiudrami 8y agoI know but for iPhone users it's more or less seamless other than that they know they have fewer features if the bubbles are green.
- netsharc 8y agoiMessage came after WhatsApp (WA itself isn't the first messaging app...), I wonder why WA didn't get big in the US, maybe it's because virtually all mobile contracts in the US include a texting package. As for WA, one key to its success was probably the automatic upload of your address book to see who of your contacts is already in the system (and the privacy side in the battle of privacy vs convenience loses another battle), on other IM clients you had to add contacts manually.
- rueynshard 8y agoI daresay sharing memes is arguably the most commonplace use of Facebook among teens nowadays.
- scruple 8y agoI started with BBS in the early 90s (I was technically a pre-teen) and progressed to IRC shortly after... But, I _really_ remember when ICQ first showed up in my school and then even more so when AIM followed it. It's a bit silly to say today, I guess, but those were actually defining moments when I retrospect on the popular technology during that period of my life. So, what has replaced instant messaging _in a meaningful way_ for teenagers? I hear Snapchat, but I don't think that it's actually filling the gap. I've heard folks say YikYak before, or whatever the fuck it was called, but that app was a pile and I'm pretty sure it died anyway over privacy violations. What's out there that is directly connecting teens online today? Please tell me they're not all walled in to Facebook without any alternatives...
- jozzas 8y agoSnapchat, whatsapp, FB messenger, kik, viber, instagram, twitter ("slide in my DMs"). What I'm unsure about is anonymous online interaction. Is reddit and topic-specific forums all that are available? Maybe FB groups?
- scruple 8y agoI'm familiar with all of these, I think. Maybe I'm nostalgic, maybe I'm stuck viewing "my" technologies through rose-tinted goggles. Maybe I'm just naive. Maybe I'm just old. It may be that "the kids" are just in to a way of communication that doesn't "feel" right to me and that I'll never understand, and which leads itself to apps like Snapchat, WhatsApp, etc... being _genuinely_ superior to what I once experienced, even when I personally view them as being woefully inadequate compared to something as simple as AIM. It strikes me as being some sort of Socratic expression that I don't want to delve in to. I just hope that technology is serving "kids" today as well as it served me in the past, and I guess that I have to accept that what _they_ accept is performing that job satisfactorily. Maybe when I have children and they are pre-teen / teen then I will be able to understand their needs again.
- djabatt 8y agofacebook is dial tone. Not very fun but useful when you want to communicate. Youtube is content made largely by their peer group. It's fun and dynamic. The comment threads are spicy and you can be a virtual person. Facebook is boring.
- sametmax 8y ago> The comment threads are spicy Ah. Maybe it is specifically for teen. Because every time I scroll down there I instantly regret it. Not only the content of comments have no added value, but it's not funny, or even most of the time remotely intelligible. And I say that why understanding the appeal of the content in video games forum, which on my personal quality scale is already very low.
- wyclif 8y agoYouTube comments have very low value. Much lower than Facebook threaded comments, because at least you're friended those people whereas on YT they're all randos trying to get attention.
- always_good 8y agoView the comments of any widespread post on Facebook like the video on a popular page. It's even worse than Youtube comments because it shows that people post the same shit under their real name that their friends/fam can see. They aren't people you know.
- ballenf 8y agoDoes anyone understand the sorting algorithm used? On the rare occasion I go to yt comments, I’m baffled why garbage throwaway comments with few votes are higher than thoughtful highly voted responses.
- detaro 8y agoAs far as I know, it's an activity metric. So negative votes send it upwards too, as do many outraged or joke replies.
- stcredzero 8y agothe youth want to follow a band or an actor not a toothbrush company Exactly. The following is emblematic of what makes YouTube great, which is precisely what YouTube the company and its corporate advertiser don't understand. In fact, it's what they try to kill, and what ideologue shills like Vox and Vice wish they were. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj7Aa866ERY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj7Aa866ERY tl;dw: Actual people being themselves having actual human reactions.
- ulfw 8y ago100% agree. Facebook completely dropped the ball in terms of what they're really offering these days. Besides some a/b testing and ad optimisation what have they added in terms of features in the last 5 years? It's basically a messenger and a newsfeed with pictures, sometimes videos and URLs to (often fake) news. Anything else kind of went nowhere after a while - whether that's their Classifieds section or Foursquare-competitor section or Games etc I have seen a large part of my Facebook friends leave the platform (I'd estimate at least half are inactive). And our whole class joined when Stanford came onboard as the second school after Harvard way way way long ago.
- petepete 8y agoWell a couple of years ago they added a super new feature that made the messenger stop working on mobile. And then they improved it by making it stop working when you check the 'Desktop Site' box by having it delete every word you type. Quite an effort, fucking up a text input, probably required a huge effort.
- ulfw 8y agoAnd an even bigger fuckup is how they spent 19 Billion USD on buying yet another messenger and never integrating it with their first messenger, so they now run two. Why, nobody knows.
- eksemplar 8y agoThe sole reason I’m still on Facebook is because events are organized on Facebook. I know I’d still get invited if I deleted Facebook, but I don’t really want to be the person, that everyone always have to text message for rsvp, planning, changes and so on. This only happens in Facebook because everyone in my social circle is on Facebook though. Young people aren’t faced with this platform lock in and I absolutely agree with you, why would they ever join? Facebook is basically the yellow pages at this point, and how many millennials ever used a phone book?
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- arghwhat 8y agoI'm going to be that person once I get around to messaging everyone alternative contact means. However, I cannot even be bothered to login to Facebook just to do that... Not that it would change anything. Being on facebook means that people think they can invite me there, when in reality, I won't see anything until weeks or months later.
- jpttsn 8y agoIs there really no good “just the events” app or site? Personally I hear about the things I want to attend anyway, but I have the same feeling of not knowing nonetheless.
- vthallam 8y agoLike public events? or your private events inbox? I think Eventbrite/Meetup has a browsable public event list.
- eksemplar 8y agoSure, but they lack users. If one of my friend groups introduced a new platform, I’d have that one + Facebook. If five of my friends introduced new platforms I’d probably have 6 platforms. Aside from that, a lot of the alternative platforms aren’t really better than Facebook. I’m on discord for instance, but they also make a living of my personal data.
- konraditurbe 8y agoYes, this is why Instagram and Snapchat are thriving, only those who the user approves can view their posts - and they dissapear quickly
- nnain 8y agoAll true: Instagram's more popular than ever though! Still the same company, with the same mindset, still selling data! People talk about deleting their FB account all the time, but would keep there insta. Facebook, the parent company, is far from losing out.
- erikpukinskis 8y agoYou’re right. It’s a weaker position for Facebook though. Instagram is much more vulnerable to competition from Twitter, Snapchat, and YouTube than Facebook is. Facebook is super defensible. No other company has a network like that. If interest shifts from fb to ig then Facebook’s moat is a lot smaller.
- giancarlostoro 8y agoWhen I was a teenager (10 years ago) I found out about Facebook through my own mom. Facebook isn't for the youth, the appeal of Facebook was reconnecting with old friends, and family. To a young person, they usually see their friends in school and their family all the time 'cause they get dragged wherever their parents go. The value of Facebook is a storage facility for memories, once you got a large enough body of people somewhere on the internet the rest of the internet follows as a result. Edit: I also hear a lot that most people are on FB due to keeping up with "events" as well. Aside from memories / connecting and events it provides no value back to me. I can call / text / email anyone I know, I guess it's just convenience.
- emodendroket 8y agoI don't know about that; when I initially asked people about it they were telling me "oh, it's just like Myspace, but better," and it was a few years before I remember seeing teachers or older relatives signing on.
- giancarlostoro 8y agoDunno I thought MySpace was waaaay better. I got to have music on my profile, and I spoke directly with artists I liked, things I never was able to do on any other platform, at least not as common.
- emodendroket 8y agoWell, you know, wherever your friends are, that's the one you need.
- V-2 8y ago> "You can follow brands but the youth want to follow a band or an actor not a toothbrush company." At what age is it supposed to become the other way round?
- H1Supreme 8y agoI follow a few brands, but they make guitars or synthesizers, generally speaking. Definitely not following Nabisco or Coca-Cola.
- V-2 8y agoAnd I can't see why someone young wouldn't follow a game producer company, or a fashion brand. Noone - whatever their age - cares about toothbrush companies. It was a very contrived example, that's my point
- emodendroket 8y agoI was in high school when people started using Facebook and I don't really remember it being substantially different than now. I mean, yes, I exercise more restraint in what I post now than I did then, but is that actually a change in the platform or simply the wisdom of age? I remember my friends getting themselves into trouble by posting photos of themselves drunk.
- tenaciousDaniel 8y ago> Now you hide your friend list, avoid saying anything that you wouldn't say in front of your mother and secretly worry that anything you post will be purchased by a potential future employer enabling them to filter out your resume in record time. Truer words were never spoken. Granted, I still love to use Facebook because I have friends from years ago, all over the country. It's the only way I keep in touch with them. But as another commenter brilliantly put it, they're becoming the yellow pages.