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I'm sorry, but I don't agree. There is no reason why my customers need to know in what language the solution is developed in. Besides, Ruby powers many highly

I'm sorry, but I don't agree. There is no reason why my customers need to know in what language the solution is developed in. Besides, Ruby powers many highly visible websites and web apps. If I'd be losing a sale because I develop in Ruby and NOT Python, chances are I don't want that sale in the first place.

jacquesm 16y ago
> There is no reason why my customers need to know in what language the solution is developed in. Business continuity.
- batasrki 16y ago
  Business continuity applies only if we're talking about Java vs Ruby/Python/etc. If the choice is between Ruby and Python and Clojure and any of the "esoteric" languages as far as enterprises are concerned, that's a red herring.
lelele 16y ago
Let me explain better: Google does not stop at using Python, it embraces and backs it. And every grey suit knows Google.
- batasrki 16y ago
  And any grey suit that deals with the web knows about YellowPages.com which is a Rails site, as is newyorkjets.com. Google is a compelling argument, no doubt, but if the biz dudes are open to switching from a "traditional" language/framework such as Java/J2EE or .Net, there are other "established" players that use Ruby. Please don't take this as defending Ruby, the best tool for the job should win out. If the team proposing Python is well-versed in Python, that's what they should go with. But saying that Python is a better bet than Ruby, because Google embraces it is a bit of a strawman.
bmelton 16y ago
I don't know what your business is, but if it's consulting or custom development, then you may be wrong. It matters very much to me if I buy something from you that is written in some esoteric language that only a few people can develop for. Obscure languages are a form of vendor lock-in, in that sense. if you're developing SAAS or something, then I'm sure you're right, but that argument doesn't apply to everybody.

jacquesm 16y ago

> There is no reason why my customers need to know in what language the solution is developed in. Business continuity.

batasrki 16y ago
Business continuity applies only if we're talking about Java vs Ruby/Python/etc. If the choice is between Ruby and Python and Clojure and any of the "esoteric" languages as far as enterprises are concerned, that's a red herring.

lelele 16y ago

Let me explain better: Google does not stop at using Python, it embraces and backs it. And every grey suit knows Google.

batasrki 16y ago
And any grey suit that deals with the web knows about YellowPages.com which is a Rails site, as is newyorkjets.com. Google is a compelling argument, no doubt, but if the biz dudes are open to switching from a "traditional" language/framework such as Java/J2EE or .Net, there are other "established" players that use Ruby. Please don't take this as defending Ruby, the best tool for the job should win out. If the team proposing Python is well-versed in Python, that's what they should go with. But saying that Python is a better bet than Ruby, because Google embraces it is a bit of a strawman.

bmelton 16y ago

I don't know what your business is, but if it's consulting or custom development, then you may be wrong. It matters very much to me if I buy something from you that is written in some esoteric language that only a few people can develop for. Obscure languages are a form of vendor lock-in, in that sense. if you're developing SAAS or something, then I'm sure you're right, but that argument doesn't apply to everybody.