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… and closed about a bazillion bugs I filed over the years in the process without (apparently) migrating them, too. … though I am pretty sure they left the bug

… and closed about a bazillion bugs I filed over the years in the process without (apparently) migrating them, too. … though I am pretty sure they left the bugs in the source intact.

amdavidson 8y ago
Are your bazillion bugs not in the ~14k issues that are on their gnome project page? https://gitlab.gnome.org/groups/GNOME/-/issues https://gitlab.gnome.org/groups/GNOME/-/issues
- matttproud 8y ago
  Correct according to the search index: > There are no issues to show. With the sole exception of one e-mail from legacy Bugzilla: > This bug has been migrated to GNOME's GitLab instance and has been closed from further activity. That one that HAS been migrated appears as follows: > You can subscribe and participate further through the new bug through this link to our GitLab instance: …
- overcast 8y ago
  I mean a bazillion is way larger than 14k.
  - bytematic 8y ago
    I would have used "umpteen", sounds large, but it's only in the teens.
    - mygo 8y ago
      that’s not true.
    - Hupriene 8y ago
      Yeah, but that's teens in a base-ump number system.
      - deleted 8y ago
        [deleted]
    - taneq 8y ago
      I realized a while ago that any hyperbolic ('eleventy billion' style, not counting cases where the actual value counts) number only needs to be about 10x the expected value to sound large. Further orders of magnitude don't seem to add any extra emotional impact after that.
rzzzt 8y ago
The CADT model strikes again!
- matttproud 8y ago
  All Of this has happened before and will happen again: https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html Makes me wish I had seen JWZ's writeup before spending so much of my time filing the damned things.
  - pkaye 8y ago
    jwz links don't work from Hacker News. They will get redirected.
    - matthewn 8y ago
      This will work: http://nullrefer.com/?https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html http://nullrefer.com/?https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html
      - dspillett 8y ago
        Though as with sites that refuse entry if I have the adblocker active, I'll take the "if I'm not wanted, I just won't go" option. I doubt I'm missing anything life changing that I can't get elsewhere.
    - enriquto 8y ago
      only if you set up your browser to voluntarily send the http referrer
      - a1369209993 8y ago
        Most browsers are maliciously preconfigured to do that out of the proverbial box.
        8y ago
numeromancer 8y ago
Don't worry, those'll be cleared up in the next rewrite.
- 0xFFC 8y ago
  And next bazillion bug will appear!
- kakistocrat 8y ago
  ...In which they delete the entire feature you reported as broken, as seems to be the current GNOME way of doing things.
paulie_a 8y ago
It's not like gnome was utilizing bugzilla anyways. They had one bug that was 11 years old.
- takluyver 8y ago
  The maximum age of a bug in a bug tracker is not really a meaningful metric. All software has bugs, and all large, widely used software has some problems or limitations that no-one is working on. You can close those issues to tidy things up, but that's also a good way to annoy people. So the only conclusion you can really draw from "one bug was 11 years old" is that they had been using that issue tracker for at least 11 years.
  - paulie_a 8y ago
    It was a persistent and substantial bug, people jokingly suggested getting it a birthday cake because it was so neglected.
    - anonymouz 8y ago
      Care to tell us which one it is?
      - djsumdog 8y ago
        Yes, I'm curious on this too.
      - symlinkk 8y ago
        Probably the infamous "thumbnails in file picker" bug that is a meme on 4chan's /g/: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/File_Picker_meme https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/File_Picker_meme https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141154& https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141154&
        toefraz 8y ago
        But that's not a bug. It's a feature request
anothergoogler 8y ago
It's a fundamental problem of open source projects hosting on GitHub. I don't think the the Fossil colocation model is necessarily right, but some open protocol is needed so that issues can be easily migrated between these services.
- bastawhiz 8y ago
  Is it really that hard to write a little script to copy the issues over? Github has an exceptional API.
  - scrollaway 8y ago
    As others have pointed out, this is Gitlab. When it comes to github, they previously helped me transitioning a bugzilla into github issues, but it doesn't look like they do this anymore. Back then, I managed to get approval from all our contributors/issue authors so that their individual bugs and comments would show up as their individual bugs and comments, as well as retaining issue numbers. This is the code for it, if anyone is interested, but as I said the whole thing is unsupported now: https://github.com/jleclanche/bugzilla-to-github https://github.com/jleclanche/bugzilla-to-github
    - jwilk 8y ago
      There's an unofficial issue import API: https://gist.github.com/jonmagic/5282384165e0f86ef105 https://gist.github.com/jonmagic/5282384165e0f86ef105 But it doesn't let you change ownership of issues or comments; everything appears as created by the importing user.
      - scrollaway 8y ago
        That's the one Github staff helped me use (though there were no public endpoints at the time). I recognize some of this. I don't think it's supported anymore.
      - viraptor 8y ago
        That makes sense. You shouldn't normally be allowed to impersonate another username, which is exactly what a full import does.
dudus 8y ago
It looks like at least some projects got bugs imported. Maybe this is still ongoing? https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/glib/issues https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/glib/issues
kzrdude 8y ago
The bugs I've reported are migrated over. And I'm not on the hook for getting update emails either, so it's a win-win.
cat199 8y ago
this will be resolved when systemd-gitlab-gnome-bugmigration-serviced is written. you just need to be more patient and stop thinking in the antiquated ways.
audidude 8y ago
Everyone on the CC list for each bugzilla bug was notified 6 months ago that any bug without action in over a year would be frozen instead of migrated. (Do keep in mind that GNOME, unlike corporate projects, is largely volunteer based and time, resources, and contributors are limited) As the email said, you just needed to ACK a comment on the bug to keep it alive and ensure its migration. Given the nearly 900,000 bugs filed in the life-span of bugzilla, I think that was an acceptable trade-off given the very small workforce. Hopefully, the gitlab tooling will allow us to track things going forward much better. Personally, I think a lot of bugs in Bugzilla were just left open instead of closed due to a difference of opinion/vision but different maintainers have different triage styles.
- nisa 8y ago
  Intentional or not... you pretty much agree with jwz: https://anonym.to/?https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html https://anonym.to/?https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html (https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html - jwz has some nasty opinion about hn visitors - so the first link omits the referer)
  - shawnz 8y ago
    It did not omit the referrer for me.
    - nisa 8y ago
      replaced the link, but anonym.to is also sketchy...
    - smallbigfish 8y ago
      This might help in the future if you use Firefox: https://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/tweaking-referrer-for-privacy-in-firefox/ https://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/tweaking-referrer-for-pr... A quite safe value from there is network.http.referer.XOriginPolicy = 1 which will not send a referrer to third party domains outside of the base domain.
  - dspillett 8y ago

… and closed about a bazillion bugs I filed over the years in the process without (apparently) migrating them, too. … though I am pretty sure they left the bugs in the source intact.

amdavidson 8y ago

Are your bazillion bugs not in the ~14k issues that are on their gnome project page? https://gitlab.gnome.org/groups/GNOME/-/issues https://gitlab.gnome.org/groups/GNOME/-/issues

matttproud 8y ago
Correct according to the search index: > There are no issues to show. With the sole exception of one e-mail from legacy Bugzilla: > This bug has been migrated to GNOME's GitLab instance and has been closed from further activity. That one that HAS been migrated appears as follows: > You can subscribe and participate further through the new bug through this link to our GitLab instance: …
overcast 8y ago
I mean a bazillion is way larger than 14k.
- bytematic 8y ago
  I would have used "umpteen", sounds large, but it's only in the teens.
  - mygo 8y ago
    that’s not true.
  - Hupriene 8y ago
    Yeah, but that's teens in a base-ump number system.
    - deleted 8y ago
      [deleted]
  - taneq 8y ago
    I realized a while ago that any hyperbolic ('eleventy billion' style, not counting cases where the actual value counts) number only needs to be about 10x the expected value to sound large. Further orders of magnitude don't seem to add any extra emotional impact after that.

rzzzt 8y ago

The CADT model strikes again!

matttproud 8y ago
All Of this has happened before and will happen again: https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html Makes me wish I had seen JWZ's writeup before spending so much of my time filing the damned things.
- pkaye 8y ago
  jwz links don't work from Hacker News. They will get redirected.
  - matthewn 8y ago
    This will work: http://nullrefer.com/?https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html http://nullrefer.com/?https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html
    - dspillett 8y ago
      Though as with sites that refuse entry if I have the adblocker active, I'll take the "if I'm not wanted, I just won't go" option. I doubt I'm missing anything life changing that I can't get elsewhere.
  - enriquto 8y ago
    only if you set up your browser to voluntarily send the http referrer
    - a1369209993 8y ago
      Most browsers are maliciously preconfigured to do that out of the proverbial box.
      - 8y ago

numeromancer 8y ago

Don't worry, those'll be cleared up in the next rewrite.

0xFFC 8y ago
And next bazillion bug will appear!
kakistocrat 8y ago
...In which they delete the entire feature you reported as broken, as seems to be the current GNOME way of doing things.

paulie_a 8y ago

It's not like gnome was utilizing bugzilla anyways. They had one bug that was 11 years old.

takluyver 8y ago
The maximum age of a bug in a bug tracker is not really a meaningful metric. All software has bugs, and all large, widely used software has some problems or limitations that no-one is working on. You can close those issues to tidy things up, but that's also a good way to annoy people. So the only conclusion you can really draw from "one bug was 11 years old" is that they had been using that issue tracker for at least 11 years.
- paulie_a 8y ago
  It was a persistent and substantial bug, people jokingly suggested getting it a birthday cake because it was so neglected.
  - anonymouz 8y ago
    Care to tell us which one it is?
    - djsumdog 8y ago
      Yes, I'm curious on this too.
    - symlinkk 8y ago
      Probably the infamous "thumbnails in file picker" bug that is a meme on 4chan's /g/: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/File_Picker_meme https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/File_Picker_meme https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141154& https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141154&
      - toefraz 8y ago
        But that's not a bug. It's a feature request

anothergoogler 8y ago

It's a fundamental problem of open source projects hosting on GitHub. I don't think the the Fossil colocation model is necessarily right, but some open protocol is needed so that issues can be easily migrated between these services.

bastawhiz 8y ago
Is it really that hard to write a little script to copy the issues over? Github has an exceptional API.
- scrollaway 8y ago
  As others have pointed out, this is Gitlab. When it comes to github, they previously helped me transitioning a bugzilla into github issues, but it doesn't look like they do this anymore. Back then, I managed to get approval from all our contributors/issue authors so that their individual bugs and comments would show up as their individual bugs and comments, as well as retaining issue numbers. This is the code for it, if anyone is interested, but as I said the whole thing is unsupported now: https://github.com/jleclanche/bugzilla-to-github https://github.com/jleclanche/bugzilla-to-github
  - jwilk 8y ago
    There's an unofficial issue import API: https://gist.github.com/jonmagic/5282384165e0f86ef105 https://gist.github.com/jonmagic/5282384165e0f86ef105 But it doesn't let you change ownership of issues or comments; everything appears as created by the importing user.
    - scrollaway 8y ago
      That's the one Github staff helped me use (though there were no public endpoints at the time). I recognize some of this. I don't think it's supported anymore.
    - viraptor 8y ago
      That makes sense. You shouldn't normally be allowed to impersonate another username, which is exactly what a full import does.

dudus 8y ago

It looks like at least some projects got bugs imported. Maybe this is still ongoing? https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/glib/issues https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/glib/issues

kzrdude 8y ago

The bugs I've reported are migrated over. And I'm not on the hook for getting update emails either, so it's a win-win.

cat199 8y ago

this will be resolved when systemd-gitlab-gnome-bugmigration-serviced is written. you just need to be more patient and stop thinking in the antiquated ways.

audidude 8y ago

Everyone on the CC list for each bugzilla bug was notified 6 months ago that any bug without action in over a year would be frozen instead of migrated. (Do keep in mind that GNOME, unlike corporate projects, is largely volunteer based and time, resources, and contributors are limited) As the email said, you just needed to ACK a comment on the bug to keep it alive and ensure its migration. Given the nearly 900,000 bugs filed in the life-span of bugzilla, I think that was an acceptable trade-off given the very small workforce. Hopefully, the gitlab tooling will allow us to track things going forward much better. Personally, I think a lot of bugs in Bugzilla were just left open instead of closed due to a difference of opinion/vision but different maintainers have different triage styles.

nisa 8y ago
Intentional or not... you pretty much agree with jwz: https://anonym.to/?https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html https://anonym.to/?https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html (https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html - jwz has some nasty opinion about hn visitors - so the first link omits the referer)
- shawnz 8y ago
  It did not omit the referrer for me.
  - nisa 8y ago
    replaced the link, but anonym.to is also sketchy...
  - smallbigfish 8y ago
    This might help in the future if you use Firefox: https://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/tweaking-referrer-for-privacy-in-firefox/ https://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/tweaking-referrer-for-pr... A quite safe value from there is network.http.referer.XOriginPolicy = 1 which will not send a referrer to third party domains outside of the base domain.
- dspillett 8y ago