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This is a great solution for hacker news types (I run pihole at my home - love it!) but it's not a feasible solution for most people. We need a hard brake on a

by Liquix 8y ago

This is a great solution for hacker news types (I run pihole at my home - love it!) but it's not a feasible solution for most people. We need a hard brake on adtech and a restructuring of business models, not a band-aid that only 5% of the population bothers to apply.

s73v3r_ 8y ago
You mean like the GDPR?
- Liquix 8y ago
  The GDPR is a huge step forward and it would be wonderful to see something similar happen in the States.
  - PaulHoule 8y ago
    GDPR is a disaster. Already I am getting overwhelmed by requests from people who don't want people to know that they are running a business at such and such an address and I can only assume they are running a criminal business. There are two ways that "privacy" can be violated: (1) somebody exploits your data, or (2) somebody violates your space. Something like GDPR addresses (1) and might put an end to those shoes from Zappos that keep following you around, but it does not stop the disincentives that destroyed the world wide web.
    - neunh34nt 8y ago
      > Already I am getting overwhelmed by requests from people who don't want people to know that they are running a business at such and such an address Huh? What does this mean? I've been getting the usual "Please consent to let us continue spamming you" emails, but I have no idea what your sentence above means. Can you elaborate as it's not clear what you're talking about.
    - PaulHoule 8y ago
      (sorry for out of sequence reply but I could not reply directly to the message in question) I run a business directory site, or at least used to until this morning. If I was like many people I would blame GDPR, but really I figured I rather spend the money I was spending on AWS on something else.
      - firmgently 8y ago
        I'm still not getting this... did people get in touch and say "I don't want people to know I'm running a business at this address"? Or did they say "Please remove me from your business directory which you added me to without asking"?... and how does your mind jump to "must be criminals" - are there intermediate steps in your logic or is it just: doesn't want me to have their business address on my database = criminals?
        PaulHoule 8y ago
        My directory was generated from public information (the Legal Entity Identifier) The EU has been making moves towards financial transparency largely driven by the UK getting on the open data bandwagon. (Ten years ago they were much worse than the US in terms of seeing government data as a revenue source, now they are far ahead of other countries.) This is endangered by Brexit and GDPR. One part of the global governance crisis is that legislators have been captured by a "one dollar one vote" situation and in turn cannot maintain tax rates that produce sufficient government revenues. Thus the bureaucratic sectors have focused on keeping the lights on by trying to get people to pay what they owe. Given massive tax evasion by the rich that has to be a priority so general transparency around cross-border financial transactions has to increase. Perhaps some people who want to be "forgotten" are not criminals, but when you look for specific cases of people who are making these requests they are frequently white collar criminals who are hoping they can sweet talk somebody again into another chance to lie, cheat and steal to pay for gambling or cocaine or whatever.
        Semirhage 8y ago
        Perhaps some people who want to be "forgotten" are not criminals, but when you look for specific cases of people who are making these requests they are frequently white collar criminals who are hoping they can sweet talk somebody again into another chance to lie, cheat and steal to pay for gambling or cocaine or whatever. This seems like a slightly modified version of the old, “if you have nothing to hide...” saw and I don’t like it.
    - dredmorbius 8y ago
      I'm not following you here. (Loved your initial comment on this thread though.)
- pathseeker 8y ago
  GDPR doesn't do anything about all of the advertisement issues the OP highlighted.
  - s73v3r_ 8y ago
    It does a lot to curtail the invasive tracking that is one of the worst parts of some of these ads.
gitgacutils 8y ago
> This is a great solution for hacker news types How is it a great solution when hacker news has ads that most ad blockers can't block?
- colejohnson66 8y ago
  HN has ads?
  - chepaslaaa 8y ago
    it probably does have a certain degree of astro-turfing
  - sokoloff 8y ago
    news.yc has job ads for YC portfolio companies
  - dredmorbius 8y ago
    Hiring notices, by Ycombinator projects.
  - gitgacutils 8y ago
    Job ads being one. Also, HN has behind the scene deals to peddle certain news organizations ( nytimes, wapo, wsj ) and certain ngos with certain agendas. What do you think HN is? What do you think dang, sctb and the mods do?
    - dang 8y ago
      HN has no such deals. Please don't make things up.
    - mediocrejoker 8y ago
      Got a source on that you'd be willing to share?
- majewsky 8y ago
  HN does not have tracking ads (for all we know, at least).

by Liquix 8y ago

s73v3r_ 8y ago

You mean like the GDPR?

Liquix 8y ago
The GDPR is a huge step forward and it would be wonderful to see something similar happen in the States.
- PaulHoule 8y ago
  GDPR is a disaster. Already I am getting overwhelmed by requests from people who don't want people to know that they are running a business at such and such an address and I can only assume they are running a criminal business. There are two ways that "privacy" can be violated: (1) somebody exploits your data, or (2) somebody violates your space. Something like GDPR addresses (1) and might put an end to those shoes from Zappos that keep following you around, but it does not stop the disincentives that destroyed the world wide web.
  - neunh34nt 8y ago
    > Already I am getting overwhelmed by requests from people who don't want people to know that they are running a business at such and such an address Huh? What does this mean? I've been getting the usual "Please consent to let us continue spamming you" emails, but I have no idea what your sentence above means. Can you elaborate as it's not clear what you're talking about.
  - PaulHoule 8y ago
    (sorry for out of sequence reply but I could not reply directly to the message in question) I run a business directory site, or at least used to until this morning. If I was like many people I would blame GDPR, but really I figured I rather spend the money I was spending on AWS on something else.
    - firmgently 8y ago
      I'm still not getting this... did people get in touch and say "I don't want people to know I'm running a business at this address"? Or did they say "Please remove me from your business directory which you added me to without asking"?... and how does your mind jump to "must be criminals" - are there intermediate steps in your logic or is it just: doesn't want me to have their business address on my database = criminals?
      - PaulHoule 8y ago
        My directory was generated from public information (the Legal Entity Identifier) The EU has been making moves towards financial transparency largely driven by the UK getting on the open data bandwagon. (Ten years ago they were much worse than the US in terms of seeing government data as a revenue source, now they are far ahead of other countries.) This is endangered by Brexit and GDPR. One part of the global governance crisis is that legislators have been captured by a "one dollar one vote" situation and in turn cannot maintain tax rates that produce sufficient government revenues. Thus the bureaucratic sectors have focused on keeping the lights on by trying to get people to pay what they owe. Given massive tax evasion by the rich that has to be a priority so general transparency around cross-border financial transactions has to increase. Perhaps some people who want to be "forgotten" are not criminals, but when you look for specific cases of people who are making these requests they are frequently white collar criminals who are hoping they can sweet talk somebody again into another chance to lie, cheat and steal to pay for gambling or cocaine or whatever.
        Semirhage 8y ago
        Perhaps some people who want to be "forgotten" are not criminals, but when you look for specific cases of people who are making these requests they are frequently white collar criminals who are hoping they can sweet talk somebody again into another chance to lie, cheat and steal to pay for gambling or cocaine or whatever. This seems like a slightly modified version of the old, “if you have nothing to hide...” saw and I don’t like it.
  - dredmorbius 8y ago
    I'm not following you here. (Loved your initial comment on this thread though.)
pathseeker 8y ago
GDPR doesn't do anything about all of the advertisement issues the OP highlighted.
- s73v3r_ 8y ago
  It does a lot to curtail the invasive tracking that is one of the worst parts of some of these ads.

gitgacutils 8y ago

> This is a great solution for hacker news types How is it a great solution when hacker news has ads that most ad blockers can't block?

colejohnson66 8y ago
HN has ads?
- chepaslaaa 8y ago
  it probably does have a certain degree of astro-turfing
- sokoloff 8y ago
  news.yc has job ads for YC portfolio companies
- dredmorbius 8y ago
  Hiring notices, by Ycombinator projects.
- gitgacutils 8y ago
  Job ads being one. Also, HN has behind the scene deals to peddle certain news organizations ( nytimes, wapo, wsj ) and certain ngos with certain agendas. What do you think HN is? What do you think dang, sctb and the mods do?
  - dang 8y ago
    HN has no such deals. Please don't make things up.
  - mediocrejoker 8y ago
    Got a source on that you'd be willing to share?
majewsky 8y ago
HN does not have tracking ads (for all we know, at least).