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Simply speaking they actually make more products people like to use. Google essentially has just one, and it’s based on diminishing user privacy to the maximum

by Proven 8y ago

Simply speaking they actually make more products people like to use. Google essentially has just one, and it’s based on diminishing user privacy to the maximum extent possible. MS collects user data but so do Ubuntu and CentOS... not to the extent Google and FB do it.

baud147258 8y ago
For Google, there's also Android, Gmail, Google Drive and Google docs
- Alupis 8y ago
  Overwhelming majority of revenue for Google doesn't come from consumer devices and services... but rather, from advertising. Microsoft has tried hard to get into that arena, but it seems nobody can really edge out Google. Of course, most of Google's devices and services funnel data into the advertising system... but they also do have paid services that are pretty popular, GSuite (Google Apps for Business), Google Domains, Google Drive Storage (paid storage above the 10GB they give everybody for free), and some others.
  - jacksmith21006 8y ago
    One thing that gets confused is that ads are a business model not a product or service.
  - TomK32 8y ago
    MS got their foot in advertising, don't think of Bing as a failure at $5 billion revenue.
  - addicted 8y ago
    Even in advertising it’s arguable that Facebook has become stronger than Google. FB ads already command a premium over Google ones. While Google is still gonna be the dominant player for the foreseeable future, it’s definitely a risk.
    - Alupis 8y ago
      FB may charge more... but you don't constantly see articles about how ineffective Google advertising networks are, and they own a lot more than just one advertising network.
    - NicoJuicy 8y ago
      Fb ads are partially over. Source: ecommerce groups on fb
  - vezycash 8y ago
    I can't understand why MS hasn't made an Adsense competitor, it'll be a fairer fight.
- jacksmith21006 8y ago
  Plus YouTube which now serves over 1.7B hours of video a day. But then Google also has others climbing like Google photos. Google has now the most popular smart speakers in addition even though came later. https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-overtakes-amazon-in-smart-speaker-market-in-q1/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-overtakes-amazon-in-sma... Google overtakes Amazon in smart speaker market in Q1 2018 ...
- fma 8y ago
  For Microsoft...there's Android "Financially Microsoft is one of the biggest winners from the growth of Android as a platform, thanks to its wide range of patents." https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2015/11/01/microsoft-android-patent-income/&refURL=https://www.google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/ https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.for...
- youdontknowtho 8y ago
  They only make money on ads, though. Unless I'm missing something...
  - deleted 8y ago
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jacksmith21006 8y ago
Google owns five of the top ten apps used on all smartphones. Not aware of any for MS? Plus Google owns the top 2 web sites. http://www.businessinsider.com/most-used-smartphone-apps-2017-8 http://www.businessinsider.com/most-used-smartphone-apps-201... The 10 most used smartphone apps - Business Insider
- outside1234 8y ago
  Microsoft owns five of the top ten platforms used by enterprises. These enterprises pay them tons of money to make these platforms run, some spending more than $100M each.
  - oculusthrift 8y ago
    sometimes i think people can’t comprehend of products that aren’t in the consumer sphere.
    - dzmien 8y ago
      Hence their shock when they realized how Facebook makes money.
    - kthejoker2 8y ago
      Loved in the Silicon Valley pilot when Gavin Belson sneers at Richard's app because it's for consumers not enterprise. I think it's willful disdain for corporate culture, the last vestige of anti "selling out".
- NicoJuicy 8y ago
  Ever tried Office Lens of Office?
- deleted 8y ago
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radarsat1 8y ago
> MS collects user data but so do Ubuntu and CentOS... not to the extent Google and FB do it. They're working on it though. I just installed Windows 10 for the first time on a brand new computer I bought. I was shocked to discover that I could not make an account on my own personal machine without "logging in" to a Microsoft service either with an existing or new email address. I looked up tutorials to skip that step but they all pointed to a button ("No account" or something like that) that was not on my screen, I swear. No button was provided to skip logging into a Microsoft account. Next, I had to give them my phone number for user verification. Also no way to skip that step. I had to wait for a verification code, which by the way failed, (got the message, they didn't accept the code), tried again, never got the new message.. figured out how to back out of that, then provided a proper email... Once set up, in making extra user accounts on the machine, they now differentiate for some reason between "Family" users and non-"Family" users. This is on MY PERSONAL COMPUTER. I literally want to just be able to use Microsoft Word on the rare occasion that I am forced to use it, and I found myself having to fork over my phone number and make TWO accounts. (One for ASUS too for some reason.) I found the whole process of setting up Windows shockingly invasive. I even had to explicitly opt out of letting them advertise to me on my own personal computer, and sending my personal info to advertisers. Not on websites. There are ads on like.. the file explorer or something. I mean, what the hell? What is this a shopping mall kiosk? No, it's a laptop I bought and paid for! Why would I want ADS? I dual-booted Ubuntu on it right away, who wanted nothing but my name and desired username, and provided extremely clear method to opt out of submitting my info to Ubuntu servers, and am happily using that now with no issues. MS definitely want your personal information, they just aren't as good at getting it as FB. I wouldn't give them a pass on privacy, not with how Windows 10 is now organized.
- maltalex 8y ago
  I’ve installed Windows 10 Pro 1803 on two separate machines in the last month. Both with local accounts.
  - fauigerzigerk 8y ago
    Could this be a Pro vs Home thing?
hardtke 8y ago
Search ads do not require the collection of user data beyond the search query to be profitable. it can be argued that they don’t violate user privacy.
- vezycash 8y ago
  You're right in theory. In practice - especially due to adsense, they HAVE TO track users at least to distinguish fraudulent clicks. At least, fraud was the initial reason for tracking.
cabalamat 8y ago
> Simply speaking they actually make more products people like to use. They may make more products that people do use, but that doesn't mean that people like using them.
- zrobotics 8y ago
  Talk to an accountant about excel, and you might hear something about "pry it from my cold dead hands"... And people have religious wars that put tabs/spaces to shame on Xbox VS Playstation

by Proven 8y ago

baud147258 8y ago

For Google, there's also Android, Gmail, Google Drive and Google docs

Alupis 8y ago
Overwhelming majority of revenue for Google doesn't come from consumer devices and services... but rather, from advertising. Microsoft has tried hard to get into that arena, but it seems nobody can really edge out Google. Of course, most of Google's devices and services funnel data into the advertising system... but they also do have paid services that are pretty popular, GSuite (Google Apps for Business), Google Domains, Google Drive Storage (paid storage above the 10GB they give everybody for free), and some others.
- jacksmith21006 8y ago
  One thing that gets confused is that ads are a business model not a product or service.
- TomK32 8y ago
  MS got their foot in advertising, don't think of Bing as a failure at $5 billion revenue.
- addicted 8y ago
  Even in advertising it’s arguable that Facebook has become stronger than Google. FB ads already command a premium over Google ones. While Google is still gonna be the dominant player for the foreseeable future, it’s definitely a risk.
  - Alupis 8y ago
    FB may charge more... but you don't constantly see articles about how ineffective Google advertising networks are, and they own a lot more than just one advertising network.
  - NicoJuicy 8y ago
    Fb ads are partially over. Source: ecommerce groups on fb
- vezycash 8y ago
  I can't understand why MS hasn't made an Adsense competitor, it'll be a fairer fight.
jacksmith21006 8y ago
Plus YouTube which now serves over 1.7B hours of video a day. But then Google also has others climbing like Google photos. Google has now the most popular smart speakers in addition even though came later. https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-overtakes-amazon-in-smart-speaker-market-in-q1/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-overtakes-amazon-in-sma... Google overtakes Amazon in smart speaker market in Q1 2018 ...
fma 8y ago
For Microsoft...there's Android "Financially Microsoft is one of the biggest winners from the growth of Android as a platform, thanks to its wide range of patents." https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2015/11/01/microsoft-android-patent-income/&refURL=https://www.google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/ https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.for...
youdontknowtho 8y ago
They only make money on ads, though. Unless I'm missing something...
- deleted 8y ago
  [deleted]

jacksmith21006 8y ago

Google owns five of the top ten apps used on all smartphones. Not aware of any for MS? Plus Google owns the top 2 web sites. http://www.businessinsider.com/most-used-smartphone-apps-2017-8 http://www.businessinsider.com/most-used-smartphone-apps-201... The 10 most used smartphone apps - Business Insider

outside1234 8y ago
Microsoft owns five of the top ten platforms used by enterprises. These enterprises pay them tons of money to make these platforms run, some spending more than $100M each.
- oculusthrift 8y ago
  sometimes i think people can’t comprehend of products that aren’t in the consumer sphere.
  - dzmien 8y ago
    Hence their shock when they realized how Facebook makes money.
  - kthejoker2 8y ago
    Loved in the Silicon Valley pilot when Gavin Belson sneers at Richard's app because it's for consumers not enterprise. I think it's willful disdain for corporate culture, the last vestige of anti "selling out".
NicoJuicy 8y ago
Ever tried Office Lens of Office?
deleted 8y ago
[deleted]

radarsat1 8y ago

> MS collects user data but so do Ubuntu and CentOS... not to the extent Google and FB do it. They're working on it though. I just installed Windows 10 for the first time on a brand new computer I bought. I was shocked to discover that I could not make an account on my own personal machine without "logging in" to a Microsoft service either with an existing or new email address. I looked up tutorials to skip that step but they all pointed to a button ("No account" or something like that) that was not on my screen, I swear. No button was provided to skip logging into a Microsoft account. Next, I had to give them my phone number for user verification. Also no way to skip that step. I had to wait for a verification code, which by the way failed, (got the message, they didn't accept the code), tried again, never got the new message.. figured out how to back out of that, then provided a proper email... Once set up, in making extra user accounts on the machine, they now differentiate for some reason between "Family" users and non-"Family" users. This is on MY PERSONAL COMPUTER. I literally want to just be able to use Microsoft Word on the rare occasion that I am forced to use it, and I found myself having to fork over my phone number and make TWO accounts. (One for ASUS too for some reason.) I found the whole process of setting up Windows shockingly invasive. I even had to explicitly opt out of letting them advertise to me on my own personal computer, and sending my personal info to advertisers. Not on websites. There are ads on like.. the file explorer or something. I mean, what the hell? What is this a shopping mall kiosk? No, it's a laptop I bought and paid for! Why would I want ADS? I dual-booted Ubuntu on it right away, who wanted nothing but my name and desired username, and provided extremely clear method to opt out of submitting my info to Ubuntu servers, and am happily using that now with no issues. MS definitely want your personal information, they just aren't as good at getting it as FB. I wouldn't give them a pass on privacy, not with how Windows 10 is now organized.

maltalex 8y ago
I’ve installed Windows 10 Pro 1803 on two separate machines in the last month. Both with local accounts.
- fauigerzigerk 8y ago
  Could this be a Pro vs Home thing?

hardtke 8y ago

Search ads do not require the collection of user data beyond the search query to be profitable. it can be argued that they don’t violate user privacy.

vezycash 8y ago
You're right in theory. In practice - especially due to adsense, they HAVE TO track users at least to distinguish fraudulent clicks. At least, fraud was the initial reason for tracking.

cabalamat 8y ago

> Simply speaking they actually make more products people like to use. They may make more products that people do use, but that doesn't mean that people like using them.

zrobotics 8y ago
Talk to an accountant about excel, and you might hear something about "pry it from my cold dead hands"... And people have religious wars that put tabs/spaces to shame on Xbox VS Playstation