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But it makes it the most significant condition. It was in the stated initial premise. And if they're all important (according to GPs list) then maybe more expe

by croon 8y ago

But it makes it the most significant condition. It was in the stated initial premise. And if they're all important (according to GPs list) then maybe more expensive teachers, better properties/real estate, supplies, etc is important enough anyways.

jstanley 8y ago
> > Having engaged parents is the single most important condition for getting a good education. > If that was true then there would be no significant difference between the students in the study, since all of them had engaged parents. This does not follow. Just because something is the most significant condition doesn't mean that two things meeting that condition will have no significant differences. EDIT: For example, let's say breathing is the single most important thing to do in order to stay alive. That doesn't mean eating isn't important to do as well. If two people breathe, but only one of them eats, they will have significant differences in outcome even though they both met the single most important condition.
- croon 8y ago
  Sure, but OP ranked them specifically to downplay the effect of teachers (and other factors caused by wealth). You can't have it both ways. Either engaged parents is significantly more important, or the other factors are still very important. And this discussion is entirely sidestepping the fact that OPs list is entirely arbitrary.
- phil21 8y ago
  I think this is pretty simple and folks are talking over each other. Involved parenting is a blocker issue, not just a critical one. There may be other critical issues in the queue, but those are blocked on that first one. So the other issues being resolved may not matter at all if the first isn't completed first. That's more or less how I see GPs argument. My rather diverse education background certainly lets me see that hypothesis as absolutely true - but I have my own personal biases due to experiences.

by croon 8y ago

jstanley 8y ago

> > Having engaged parents is the single most important condition for getting a good education. > If that was true then there would be no significant difference between the students in the study, since all of them had engaged parents. This does not follow. Just because something is the most significant condition doesn't mean that two things meeting that condition will have no significant differences. EDIT: For example, let's say breathing is the single most important thing to do in order to stay alive. That doesn't mean eating isn't important to do as well. If two people breathe, but only one of them eats, they will have significant differences in outcome even though they both met the single most important condition.

croon 8y ago
Sure, but OP ranked them specifically to downplay the effect of teachers (and other factors caused by wealth). You can't have it both ways. Either engaged parents is significantly more important, or the other factors are still very important. And this discussion is entirely sidestepping the fact that OPs list is entirely arbitrary.
phil21 8y ago
I think this is pretty simple and folks are talking over each other. Involved parenting is a blocker issue, not just a critical one. There may be other critical issues in the queue, but those are blocked on that first one. So the other issues being resolved may not matter at all if the first isn't completed first. That's more or less how I see GPs argument. My rather diverse education background certainly lets me see that hypothesis as absolutely true - but I have my own personal biases due to experiences.