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Given the terrible state of US healthcare and social support infrastructure, I don't find this hard to believe at all.

CryptoPunk 8y ago
And China spends very little on healthcare, especially through its public sector: http://www.oecd.org/els/health-systems/Briefing-Note-CHINA-2014.pdf http://www.oecd.org/els/health-systems/Briefing-Note-CHINA-2... So other factors are probably responsible.
- dis-sys 8y ago
  doctors in the west get paid top $, while Chinese dentists/doctors are getting paid much lower, e.g. far lower than PHP programmers.to give you a quick example: it costs up to $1,000-$2,000 to remove a bad wisdom tooth in Sydney, it is $20-30 in the biggest dentist hospital in Shanghai.
  - CryptoPunk 8y ago
    If you click the link you'll see that China has fewer doctors and nurses per capita: >>With 1.6 physicians per 1000 population in 2012, China had much fewer doctors per capita than the OECD average (3.2 physicians). The number of nurses per capita in China (1.8 nurses per 1000 population in 2012) is also much lower than the OECD average (8.8 nurses). As for the affordability of dental services, would you say that's an argument for deregulation and lowering of mandatory quality standards?
    - dis-sys 8y ago
      > China has fewer doctors and nurses per capita That explains why the public spending on healthcare is less - less doctors/nurses per capita, together with far less pay for doctors/nurses. the 1.6 doctors per 1000 population vs 3.2 in OECD countries is not a surprise, Chinese doctors have for decades been forced to work much longer hours. > As for the affordability of dental services, would you say that's an argument for deregulation and lowering of mandatory quality standards? It is the complete opposite - the cost is so low because they got over-regulated. The mind set of the government is that "dental issues are usually not life threatening, it thus shouldn't be expensive", all charges by public hospitals are exclusively set by the Price Bureau (Yes, there is Price Bureau!) and dental costs are just stupidly low.
      - CryptoPunk 8y ago
        >>all charges by public hospitals are exclusively set by the Price Bureau (Yes, there is Price Bureau!) and dental costs are just stupidly low. But the standards that need to be met to be licensed as a dentist must be much lower for dentist pay to be that low without massive shortages of dentists. Which goes back to my question on whether you think China's case is an argument for lowering of mandatory quality standards.
jakeogh 8y ago
Terrible compared to? This is absurd if you are someone with US hospital intake experience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw
- ascorbic 8y ago
  I try to make it a rule to not base my opinions on YouTube videos with titles beginning with "The TRUTH about..."
  - jakeogh 8y ago
    I agree. Using "truth" is almost always a mistake. https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/TIApj2qMvvIcmN-DkPd5RA/raw https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/TIApj2qMvvIcmN-DkPd5RA... I might still will watch something that makes that mistake, especially if I appreciate the previous history of the mistake maker. In this case, it's a first person experience that jives with what I know since I know a few Canadians and have plenty of US emergency room experience.

And China spends very little on healthcare, especially through its public sector: http://www.oecd.org/els/health-systems/Briefing-Note-CHINA-2014.pdf http://www.oecd.org/els/health-systems/Briefing-Note-CHINA-2... So other factors are probably responsible.

dis-sys 8y ago
doctors in the west get paid top $, while Chinese dentists/doctors are getting paid much lower, e.g. far lower than PHP programmers.to give you a quick example: it costs up to $1,000-$2,000 to remove a bad wisdom tooth in Sydney, it is $20-30 in the biggest dentist hospital in Shanghai.
- CryptoPunk 8y ago
  If you click the link you'll see that China has fewer doctors and nurses per capita: >>With 1.6 physicians per 1000 population in 2012, China had much fewer doctors per capita than the OECD average (3.2 physicians). The number of nurses per capita in China (1.8 nurses per 1000 population in 2012) is also much lower than the OECD average (8.8 nurses). As for the affordability of dental services, would you say that's an argument for deregulation and lowering of mandatory quality standards?
  - dis-sys 8y ago
    > China has fewer doctors and nurses per capita That explains why the public spending on healthcare is less - less doctors/nurses per capita, together with far less pay for doctors/nurses. the 1.6 doctors per 1000 population vs 3.2 in OECD countries is not a surprise, Chinese doctors have for decades been forced to work much longer hours. > As for the affordability of dental services, would you say that's an argument for deregulation and lowering of mandatory quality standards? It is the complete opposite - the cost is so low because they got over-regulated. The mind set of the government is that "dental issues are usually not life threatening, it thus shouldn't be expensive", all charges by public hospitals are exclusively set by the Price Bureau (Yes, there is Price Bureau!) and dental costs are just stupidly low.
    - CryptoPunk 8y ago
      >>all charges by public hospitals are exclusively set by the Price Bureau (Yes, there is Price Bureau!) and dental costs are just stupidly low. But the standards that need to be met to be licensed as a dentist must be much lower for dentist pay to be that low without massive shortages of dentists. Which goes back to my question on whether you think China's case is an argument for lowering of mandatory quality standards.

jakeogh 8y ago

Terrible compared to? This is absurd if you are someone with US hospital intake experience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jijuj1ysw

ascorbic 8y ago
I try to make it a rule to not base my opinions on YouTube videos with titles beginning with "The TRUTH about..."
- jakeogh 8y ago
  I agree. Using "truth" is almost always a mistake. https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/TIApj2qMvvIcmN-DkPd5RA/raw https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/TIApj2qMvvIcmN-DkPd5RA... I might still will watch something that makes that mistake, especially if I appreciate the previous history of the mistake maker. In this case, it's a first person experience that jives with what I know since I know a few Canadians and have plenty of US emergency room experience.