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Ok, I think I understand now. The layers are: reality -> accounting books -> financial statements The auditors don't look at the first mapping "reality -> acc

by acchow 8y ago

Ok, I think I understand now. The layers are: reality -> accounting books -> financial statements The auditors don't look at the first mapping "reality -> accounting books" but only at the second one "accounting books -> financial statements"? And even in the second mapping, they check with a sampling-based approach?

sithadmin 8y ago
>The auditors don't look at the first mapping "reality -> accounting books" but only at the second one "accounting books -> financial statements"? That's not entirely correct. A good portion of SOX audit efforts in the US, for instance, is spent on examining configuration of the various systems on which financial reporting is dependent (e.g. examining exactly how segregation of duty controls are implemented in the ERP system). A good portion of time is also spent examining if human-executed processes (e.g. employee on boarding/off boarding, granting permissions to data and financial system capabilities, manual review of backup job reports, etc) are actually being carried out in a manner that complies with the organization's SOX controls.
Tyrek 8y ago
No, all testing is down all the way down to 'reality'. But testing is statistically scaled to detect large errors. The threshold for 'large' shifts with how large the audited company is. i.e. a couple million dollars is a rounding error at Walmart. Additionally, pretty much 90% of an audit flows through a limited number of client contacts. Audits are not designed to defend against a concerted effort to prevent the auditors from seeing 'reality' (i.e. un-doctored documents), due to the manpower requirements to validate information at that level. Conceptually, it's the difference between 'I-trust-you-but-I-need-to-check-that-you-did-your-homework' and 'Trust no one, everything you see is a lie'.

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Ok, I think I understand now. The layers are: reality -> accounting books -> financial statements The auditors don't look at the first mapping "reality -> acc

by acchow 8y ago

sithadmin 8y ago
>The auditors don't look at the first mapping "reality -> accounting books" but only at the second one "accounting books -> financial statements"? That's not entirely correct. A good portion of SOX audit efforts in the US, for instance, is spent on examining configuration of the various systems on which financial reporting is dependent (e.g. examining exactly how segregation of duty controls are implemented in the ERP system). A good portion of time is also spent examining if human-executed processes (e.g. employee on boarding/off boarding, granting permissions to data and financial system capabilities, manual review of backup job reports, etc) are actually being carried out in a manner that complies with the organization's SOX controls.
Tyrek 8y ago
No, all testing is down all the way down to 'reality'. But testing is statistically scaled to detect large errors. The threshold for 'large' shifts with how large the audited company is. i.e. a couple million dollars is a rounding error at Walmart. Additionally, pretty much 90% of an audit flows through a limited number of client contacts. Audits are not designed to defend against a concerted effort to prevent the auditors from seeing 'reality' (i.e. un-doctored documents), due to the manpower requirements to validate information at that level. Conceptually, it's the difference between 'I-trust-you-but-I-need-to-check-that-you-did-your-homework' and 'Trust no one, everything you see is a lie'.