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in the united states, the means of control are hidden rather than apparent.

dv_dt 8y ago
Case in point, the no-fly list in the US. No one publically knows if they're on it, there is similarly no means to appeal being on it. At least one would know if they held a poor Chinese social credit rating - though I don't know what resolution mechanism they might have for mistakes either.
- hueving 8y ago
  I can't be put on the no-fly list for shoveling bigmacs down my throat.
  - dv_dt 8y ago
    How do you know? The criteria are not public either.
  - Simulacra 8y ago
    Respectfully I disagree. Some airlines will make you buy a second seat, but if there is no second seat, you could be bumped from that airplane due to incredible obesity. Likewise, with enough big Macs, you might grow to such large size that you present safety issues for other passengers. As such, you might be denied boarding.
    - ShabbosGoy 8y ago
      That’s a false equivalency. The parent said that you won’t be put on a no-fly list for being morbidly obese. That’s not the same as the airline not being able to accommodate you because of your extreme body size.
    - kizer 8y ago
      It's fine if a business judges you on all the information they can get; for example, in hiring new employees, etc. But the government is not an institution that should be rewarding or penalizing behavior that is within the bounds of law. Obviously, you get -10000 points let's say if you commit a felony in the US. But you don't get +5xp for praising the government or being a good neighbor, or -5xp for being rude to a waiter or something. That's like, a few orders of magnitude of closer government behavioral management.
    - hueving 8y ago
      That's not the no-fly list. That's just paying for your weight.
- briandear 8y ago
  How many innocent people are in those lists? Even if it were 100,000, that’s statistically meaningless.
stcredzero 8y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent

Case in point, the no-fly list in the US. No one publically knows if they're on it, there is similarly no means to appeal being on it. At least one would know if they held a poor Chinese social credit rating - though I don't know what resolution mechanism they might have for mistakes either.

hueving 8y ago
I can't be put on the no-fly list for shoveling bigmacs down my throat.
- dv_dt 8y ago
  How do you know? The criteria are not public either.
- Simulacra 8y ago
  Respectfully I disagree. Some airlines will make you buy a second seat, but if there is no second seat, you could be bumped from that airplane due to incredible obesity. Likewise, with enough big Macs, you might grow to such large size that you present safety issues for other passengers. As such, you might be denied boarding.
  - ShabbosGoy 8y ago
    That’s a false equivalency. The parent said that you won’t be put on a no-fly list for being morbidly obese. That’s not the same as the airline not being able to accommodate you because of your extreme body size.
  - kizer 8y ago
    It's fine if a business judges you on all the information they can get; for example, in hiring new employees, etc. But the government is not an institution that should be rewarding or penalizing behavior that is within the bounds of law. Obviously, you get -10000 points let's say if you commit a felony in the US. But you don't get +5xp for praising the government or being a good neighbor, or -5xp for being rude to a waiter or something. That's like, a few orders of magnitude of closer government behavioral management.
  - hueving 8y ago
    That's not the no-fly list. That's just paying for your weight.
briandear 8y ago
How many innocent people are in those lists? Even if it were 100,000, that’s statistically meaningless.

stcredzero 8y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent